# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 153
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3048 "2022-12-04T00:37:19Z")
> When Staab spoke to the owner of the stolen vehicle, the man said he’d used the “Find My” app to track his phone, which had “pinged” at Johnson’s address at approximately 11:30 a.m. and 3:55 p.m. the day it was stolen, according to an sworn affidavit submitted by Staab. > > However, in a screenshot from the “Find My” app actually indicated that the phone “pinged” somewhere in the vicinity of Johnson’s home and did not give a precise location. Despite this, Staab allegedly swore that the screenshot from the app “signified the phone being inside of [Johnson’s] house.” > **[ACLU Lawsuit Claims Grandmother's Home Was 'Illegally' Raided by SWAT Team...](https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/aclu-lawsuit-claims-grandmothers-home-was-illegally-raided-by-swat-team-searching-for-stolen-iphone-11/)** > > Ruby Johnson, a 77-year-old grandmother from Colorado, filed a lawsuit claiming a SWAT team illegally raided her home. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3049 "2022-12-05T13:57:13Z")
> **[An 82-year-old didn’t pay her $77 trash bill. Police arrested her.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-82-year-old-didn-t-pay-her-77-trash-bill-police-arrested-her/ar-AA14U7gd)** > > Officials in an Alabama city are facing backlash following an announcement that a woman was arrested after she did not pay a $77 trash bill. [This is unpaywalled MSN repost] ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3050 "2022-12-05T15:24:22Z")
> **[Florida deputy killed after officer roommate 'jokingly' fires gun he thought...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-deputy-killed-officer-roommate-jokingly-fires-gun-thought-was-rcna60078)** > > Brevard County Sheriff’s Office deputy Austin Walsh was killed Saturday morning in what officials described as an off-duty "avoidable accident." His roommate, Andrew Lawson, was taken into custody Sunday, charged with manslaughter. And in a jail which specifically detains arrestees who have mental and physical disabilities, as well as those with mental health problems. > **[Florida man restrained by officers in jail died by strangulation, autopsy finds](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/05/kevin-desir-death-jail-autopsy-homicide)** > > Exclusive: private autopsy says Kevin Desir’s death after struggle with six deputies was homicide, while official one said it was undetermined ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3051 "2022-12-06T17:53:03Z")
> **[Oklahoma corrections officer imprisoned for using white supremacist gang as...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oklahoma-corrections-officer-imprisoned-for-using-white-supremacist-gang-as-his-own-personal-hit-squad/ar-AA14WPKj?ocid=EMMX&cvid=40b7cace55b648b68b8eb4bc713d9e66)** > > An Oklahoma corrections officer is headed to prison after he was caught using white supremacist gangs to go after Black inmates in his own personal hit squad. The Justice Department reported on Monday afternoon that Matthew Ware of the Kay County... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3052 "2022-12-08T03:41:58Z")
The San Francisco Board of Supervisors has put on hold the policy authorizing killer robots. Though it’s just temporary for now. > **[Amid outcry, San Francisco pauses on 'killer police robots'](https://apnews.com/article/police-san-francisco-a392e5a7c1aaac8f58387dde672a7fd1)** > > SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — San Francisco supervisors voted Tuesday to put the brakes on a controversial policy that would have let police use robots for deadly force, reversing course just days after their approval of the plan generated fierce pushback and... ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3053 "2022-12-08T17:24:52Z")
Former FBI agent, whilst hawking a book, speculates for the general public and ought to know better. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-college-murder-suspect-may-have-killed-before-unlikely-to-be-a-student-former-fbi-special-agent-says/ar-AA151GUj?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=46b25c6f1e7c4279a72992c3dbd9afb8](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-college-murder-suspect-may-have-killed-before-unlikely-to-be-a-student-former-fbi-special-agent-says/ar-AA151GUj?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=46b25c6f1e7c4279a72992c3dbd9afb8) > I can guarantee you that the behavior that we see exhibited in this murder was most likely an escalation," Jonathan Gilliam _Guarantee_ and _most likely_ should never be in the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3054 "2022-12-08T18:08:03Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > _Guarantee_ and _most likely_ should never be in the same sentence. A guarantee based on pure speculation is most likely bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3055 "2022-12-15T01:05:15Z")
A California Highway patrol veteran and her husband moved to Tennessee, where they broke up and her ex husband moved to Kentucky, where he was found dead. A guy was arrested in Sacramento for the murder, but speculation is that the former CHP officer had hired the guy to kill her ex. Two days ago, the former CHP officer was arrested for trespassing at the home of the ex’s girlfriend, where a Ring camera showed her stealing the dog that had belonged to her and her husband. The former CHP officer was just found dead. > **[CHP Yuba-Sutter commander found dead in Tennessee months after husband killed...](https://www.kcra.com/article/chp-yuba-sutter-tennessee-julie-harding-homicide/42235110)** > > A California Highway Patrol captain in the Sutter-Yuba area was found dead in the state of Tennessee, officials said Tuesday. Her death comes months after her husband was killed in what is being investigated as a homicide. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3056 "2022-12-15T03:21:10Z")
Violence is the language of the police. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3057 "2022-12-15T03:28:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Two days ago, the former CHP officer was arrested for trespassing at the home of the ex’s girlfriend, where a Ring camera showed her stealing the dog that had belonged to her and her husband. So what happened to the dog? Did the girlfriend get Charlie back? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3058 "2022-12-15T03:36:26Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > So what happened to the dog? Did the girlfriend get Charlie back? From the article: The woman told officers she was willing to give the dog to Julie if they met at a nearby police department. Julie grabbed the dog by the collar and left the home, which is when the woman filed a warrant for Julie’s arrest for trespassing. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3059 "2022-12-15T03:37:30Z")
Yabbut Julie’s dead now, so where’s the dog? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3060 "2022-12-15T03:42:27Z")
Your summary does not quite line up with the copy. For starters, > [@](#): > > CHP said Julie was on leave at the time when she died. which is not the same thing as a “former CHP officer”. Also, it says that her husband disappeared and was later found dead in Kentucky, not that he moved there (and his girlfriend lived in Tennessee, so he probably did not move to Kentucky). It does not say that she commited suicide by shooting herself several times in the back, but the way the story goes, I would not be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3061 "2022-12-15T12:45:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > which is not the same thing as a “former CHP officer”. Would it be _too_ tasteless to observe that _now_ she is? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3062 "2022-12-15T13:08:23Z")
I’m eager to watch the Dateline episode they eventually do on that story. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3063 "2022-12-15T14:56:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Would it be _too_ tasteless to observe that _now_ she is? Deckard might use some sort of euphemism, like “retired”. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3064 "2022-12-16T06:51:49Z")
> According to court documents Bradley Wendt, 46, allegedly exploited his position as Adair Chief of Police to obtain approximately 90 machine guns for the department and gun stores – including his own – and resold several of the firearms for a large profit. > **[Adair Police Chief charged with illegally obtaining dozens of machine guns](https://who13.com/news/adair-police-chief-charged-with-illegally-obtaining-dozens-of-machine-guns/)** > > ADAIR, Iowa — The Chief of the Adair Police force was indicted and charged with unlawfully obtaining and possessing multiple machine guns on Wednesday. According to court documents Bradley We… Adair has about 800 people… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3065 "2022-12-16T07:09:44Z")
[https://news.yahoo.com/nightmare-warehouse-fire-erases-evidence-124027765.html](https://news.yahoo.com/nightmare-warehouse-fire-erases-evidence-124027765.html) Aside from the questions about how the fire may have started, and why there wasn’t better fire suppression in a facility storing such critical material… It is _unconscionable_ that a police department with an _eleven **billion** dollar_ budget\* hasn’t been able to establish a better storage system, especially more than a decade _after_ they promised to do so when hurricane flooding _previously_ destroyed a bunch of evidence and revealed the gross inadequacy of the warehouse. This goes beyond negligence and qualifies as malicious incompetence. \* Yes, eleven billion. You can look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3066 "2022-12-16T18:47:43Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/louisiana-officers-charged-in-black-motorist-s-deadly-arrest/ar-AA15l5Ia?ocid=EMMX&cvid=fa193b1facd9464dbfc7b365ffdbe516](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/louisiana-officers-charged-in-black-motorist-s-deadly-arrest/ar-AA15l5Ia?ocid=EMMX&cvid=fa193b1facd9464dbfc7b365ffdbe516) > Facing the most serious charges from a state grand jury was Master Trooper Kory York, who was seen on the body-camera footage dragging Greene by his ankle shackles, putting his foot on his back to force him down and leaving the heavyset man face down in the dirt for more than nine minutes. Use-of-force experts say these actions could have dangerously restricted Greene’s breathing, and the state police’s own force instructor called the troopers’ actions “torture and murder.” York was charged with negligent homicide and 10 counts of malfeasance in office. Negligent? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3067 "2022-12-16T19:42:46Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Negligent? TBF, leaving his body camera on while murdering someone was definitely an oversight. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=152) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=154)