# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3108 "2023-01-12T02:46:08Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > They believe they are on the same team. Well, they are both interested in putting [redacted] and [redacted]-lovers in their proper place. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3109 "2023-01-12T03:26:09Z")
I am actually friends with a DA and a former ADA. It’s more how they need to work with cops every day. Before anything gets to a remotely criminal level, cops, especially if they are backed by their superiors, can make life very difficult for prosecutors. They need cops to gather evidence and preserve it. Stuff can get deprioritized or “forgotten”. Witnesses can end up getting arrested at very inconvenient times. If you piss off the cops, your job can become untenable very quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3110 "2023-01-12T03:30:07Z")
Good time to mention this: > **[Killer cop refuses to say anything before he's executed for ordering hit on wife](https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/11/texas-ex-cop-refuses-to-give-last-words-before-hes-executed-for-ordering-wifes-death-18078002/?ico=related-posts)** > > He was the first inmate put to death in 2023 in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3111 "2023-01-12T16:43:06Z")
Well Typo\_Negative you can now see the last words of all the inmates executed in Texas: > **[Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And Puts Them All Online](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34315969)** > > 113 points — > 271 comments — > optimalsolver — > 8:59 PM - 9 Jan 2023 ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3112 "2023-01-12T17:08:43Z")
> **[Teacher and cousin of Black Lives Matter founder ‘Tased to death’ by LAPD](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-cousin-killed-los-angeles-police)** > > ‘He needed help and was killed,’ says Patrisse Cullors, as police are seen repeatedly using stun gun on him after traffic accident > **[Keenan Anderson: Body camera video shows LAPD detaining, using Taser on man...](https://www.foxla.com/news/keenan-anderson-body-cam-taser)** > > Police in LA released body camera footage showing the moments when officers used a Taser on a man accused of being involved in a crash in Venice. The video release comes as a community demands justice for Keenan Anderson, a Black man who died after a... The video: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1kxW7SMFdns/maxresdefault.jpg "Cousin of BLM Co-Founder dies after being tasered by LAPD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kxW7SMFdns) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3113 "2023-01-12T19:06:59Z")
Uggh, that’s utterly sickening. Bad police behavior = some people are (quite reasonably) mortally terrified of police officers, and police officers react to behavior consistent with terror (i.e. trying to flee) with deadly force, thus ensuring the cycle continues. ---
**Author:** ![QMatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/aeb1de/32.png) [@QMatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QMatic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3114 "2023-01-13T09:42:23Z")
Police training needs to focus on de-escalation rather than strict compliance. Innocent people often act irrationally in stressful situations, and it was clear from the outset that this man was scared as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3115 "2023-01-15T07:06:02Z")
5 Tennessee cops were [fired and 3 others suspended](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/five-officers-fired-sex-scandal-roils-tennessee-police-department-rcna65121) for engaging in _Girls Gone Wild_-like parties involving heavy drinking, texting pictures of their genitalia, and having sex with the same female officer while both on and off duty [**Superdude asks** : should it matter if they had sex off duty? That’s not illegal]. To date, there have been no charges filed against anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3116 "2023-01-15T11:11:17Z")
It’s good that they were fired, but that sounds like a disciplinary issue, not a legal one. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3117 "2023-01-15T11:17:06Z")
True. But it fit here better than any other thread. Except for the “stupid people” one, I suppose. But this thread doesn’t specify that it has to be a legal issue. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3118 "2023-01-16T12:49:10Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > **Superdude asks** : should it matter if they had sex off duty? That’s not illegal Was someone a supervisor of someone else? That would likely be against the rules even if off-duty. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3119 "2023-01-16T18:00:56Z")
Sexual activity does have an effect on how the fuckers relate to each other in non-copulatory situations. When you have people doing a job in which teamwork can be an important part of it, knowing who is schtupping whom is helpful info for making task assignments. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3120 "2023-01-16T22:19:57Z")
Instead of talking about brutal cops, let’s talk about some **compassionate** paramedics called by cops: > **[Paramedics in Illinois charged with murder after patient dies | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/13/us/illinois-paramedics-charged-patient-dies/index.html)** > > Two paramedics in Illinois are facing murder charges after a patient died of positional asphyxiation shortly after he was taken to a hospital in December, court documents say. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5NXCy2xWkQE/maxresdefault.jpg "Paramedics Charged With Murder After Patient Dies") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NXCy2xWkQE) ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3121 "2023-01-18T19:06:35Z")
Apparently the price of the “inconvenience” of being pepper sprayed, illegally detained and illegally searched by police is about $4,000. What a nice message this sends to officers: if you torture someone, it will cost your department about as much as a nice laptop. [Army officer pepper-sprayed by police gets $3,685 in $1 million lawsuit - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/caron-nazario-army-lieutenant-pepper-sprayed-police-awarded/story?id=96491296#:~:text=The%20jury%20awarded%202nd%20Lt,false%20imprisonment%20and%20illegal%20search). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3122 "2023-01-18T20:40:12Z")
It won’t cost the police department anything. The local government’s insurance company will write the check, and then the citizens at large will eat the cost for pennies a person in the form of more taxes to cover the overhead on police malfeasance. That’s the part the law-and-order types never seem to do the math on, we’re all subsidizing the thugs with badges. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3123 "2023-01-19T03:26:27Z")
> **[Woman Punched By Cop After Incident Over Extra Cheese On Big Mac, Video Shows](https://www.tmz.com/watch/2023-01-18-011823-police-punch-black-woman-1548263-707/)** > > Police are investigating a pretty horrifying clip of cops pummeling a woman ... and we're told it all started after a complaint about lack of cheese on a Big Mac. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3124 "2023-01-22T03:44:44Z")
The head of the law enforcement operations directorate of the U.S. Border Patrol has stepped down after being accused of forcing civilian employees into having sex. > **[U.S. Border Patrol Official Resigns After Sexual Favors Allegations, Report Says](https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-border-patrol-top-official-resigned-after-allegedly-forcing-female-employees-to-do-sexual-favors)** > > Tony Barker, former acting chief of the law enforcement operations directorate, is now under investigation, according to NBC. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2023, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3125 "2023-01-22T09:10:38Z")
…the NYPD protecting and serving. > ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3126 "2023-01-22T11:30:33Z")
…jesus. Read the article first. [https://www.local3news.com/local-news/suspect-recovering-at-chattanooga-hospital-following-officer-involved-shooting-in-murphy/article\_7c1eecd4-7b11-11ed-901a-9b12f43c3169.html](https://www.local3news.com/local-news/suspect-recovering-at-chattanooga-hospital-following-officer-involved-shooting-in-murphy/article_7c1eecd4-7b11-11ed-901a-9b12f43c3169.html) > [@"the article](#): > > The sheriff’s office says deputies arrived at the scene to investigate a report of shots fired where they found 41-year-old Jason Harley Kloepfer, who initially would not come out of the camper trailer, prompting officers to call in the SWAT Team. > > The sheriff’s office says Kloepfer eventually came outside and confronted officers, forcing them to shoot the suspect. Now watch the video. (GRAPHIC warning: man gets shot, he survivied, and is in hospital) [https://twitter.com/davenewworld\_2/status/1617095593205047297](https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1617095593205047297) The full video is linked to on youtube in the replies. One of the cop says clearly “we’re all fucked” before getting reminded by another officer that they are wearing cameras. What they don’t realize is that the man they shot had a camera in the corner of the room that captured everything, including that it clearly wasn’t a “potential hostage situation”, there was no gun, and any delay was clearly caused by the couple having to wake up, figure out what was going on, turning on the lights, and opening the door. The reporting just repeats whatever it is the police tell them. If it weren’t for the camera, that would probably be it for the story. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3127 "2023-01-22T12:48:26Z")
A Milwaukee police officer was arrested for armed battery a few days ago. About two hours later another Milwaukee police officer was arrested for sexual assault. > **[Milwaukee police officers arrested; battery, sex assault allegations](https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-police-sexual-assault-battery-allegations)** > > MPD arrested a pair of its own officers for separate alleged crimes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=157)