# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 159
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3168 "2023-01-28T21:29:14Z")
Wilmington, NC cops told a driver on video that it was illegal for him to record them, and because he refused to cooperate, they were going to bring out a drug dog. Unfortunately for them, the driver was a lawyer. But the police are refusing to name the cops, and are not planning on investigating other than to slap their wrists. > **[Video shows WPD sergeant falsely telling citizen to stop recording him...](https://www.wect.com/story/34695605/video-shows-wpd-sergeant-falsely-telling-citizen-to-stop-recording-him-because-of-state-law/)** > > A Wilmington Police Sergeant is shown on video instructing a citizen who was pulled over for a traffic stop that he is not allowed to record the interaction due to a new state law prohibiting the recording of police interactions.  Shortly... ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3169 "2023-01-28T21:35:39Z")
That article was from 2017. There are more recent videos of cops lying to people and telling them that it’s illegal to film them. When that doesn’t work, they come up with a different lie: if you continue to film me from [insert number of feet] away you’re interfering with my work. Arizona trield to codify that into law but it got repealed or struck down or something. A more knowledgeable Doper lawyer can cite what happened book, chapter and verse. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3170 "2023-01-28T21:39:32Z")
Every state needs a law that says every time a cop purposely gives wrong information or lies to a civilian, the **entire department** gets a 1% pay cut of a year. That would fix the problem rather quickly. Or they all lose their weapons for a day of duty. Any cop getting 3 dings is fired and loses their right to carry a weapon in public for life in that state. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3171 "2023-01-28T21:55:08Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Every state needs a law that says every time a cop purposely gives wrong information or lies to a civilian, the **entire department** gets a 1% pay cut of a year. In some areas the cops would be a volunteer force within a month. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3172 "2023-01-28T21:56:54Z")
And this would be bad why? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3173 "2023-01-28T21:59:21Z")
Didn’t say it would be bad. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3174 "2023-01-28T21:59:43Z")
Granted. It would be fun to watch beating each other up rather than doing it to civilians. "Larry, your ignorance of the law cost my my bass boat! (punch!!) ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3175 "2023-01-29T00:23:23Z")
Two south Florida police officers have been charged with kidnapping, beating and handcuffing homeless man > **[2 Florida police officers charged with kidnapping, beating handcuffed...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-florida-police-officers-charged-kidnapping-beating-handcuffed/story?id=96696364)** > > Two south Florida police officers have been charged with kidnapping, beating and handcuffing homeless man named Jose Ortega Gutierrez. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3176 "2023-01-29T00:37:03Z")
Jason Witlock said on Fucker Carlson’s show that the murder of Tyre Nichols was because the Police Chief of Memphis is a single black woman. [![](https://i.redd.it/vnuy6rd1zsea1.jpg) ](https://i.redd.it/vnuy6rd1zsea1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3177 "2023-01-29T00:57:44Z")
Back when he wrote for the Kansas City Star, Whitlock was one of my favorite sports columnists. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3178 "2023-01-29T02:00:14Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > And this would be bad why? Depends on implementation. If you give a bunch of unpaid people guns and badges, they will find ways to make the effort worthwhile. There is already a non-trivial amount of theft, shakedowns and bribery, but an all-volunteer force, with _ **even less oversight** _ would make the police-proper look like pikers. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3179 "2023-01-29T03:04:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > If you give a bunch of unpaid people guns and badges, they will find ways to make the effort worthwhile. [\> Milgram Experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) Or even better: [The Stanford Prison Experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3180 "2023-01-29T16:07:26Z")
Yeah, and collective punishment rarely gets the intended results. Better to have a law that says that if a cop lies or gives false information, they are disciplined up to and including immediate termination, along with potential civil and criminal liabilities for the harm resulting from that lie. And unicorns that fart rainbows, as long as I’m asking. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3181 "2023-01-29T16:22:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > All of the Republicans responding racistly with “Ashli Babbit was white, but Tyre was Black, so why are they being treated differently?” The racists on my Nextdoor app are responding with “How come the cities burned when George Floyd was killed by a white cop but we’ve got peaceful protests when it’s five Black cops doing the killing? It just proves these Black people are the real racists.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3182 "2023-01-29T17:44:01Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yeah, and collective punishment rarely gets the intended results. > > Better to have a law that says that if a cop lies or gives false information, they are disciplined up to and including immediate termination, along with potential civil and criminal liabilities for the harm resulting from that lie. > > And unicorns that fart rainbows, as long as I’m asking. It does seem problematic that you can be charged with breaking a law if you tell an officer a fib, but they are free to pile the bullshit upon you with no consequences. I do understand that they need to catch the bad guys, but being allowed to do it dishonestly seems like it must be part of what is wrong with the system and reinforces a work-culture suffused with lies. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3183 "2023-01-29T17:49:46Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > The racists on my Nextdoor app are responding with “How come the cities burned when George Floyd was killed by a white cop but we’ve got peaceful protests when it’s five Black cops doing the killing? It just proves these Black people are the real racists.” I’m not going to argue about who is or isn’t racist, but the difference in the public response to both incidents is noteworthy. Why were the protests over George Floyd’s murder so much more violent than the protests over Nichols’ murder? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3184 "2023-01-29T18:02:36Z")
It could be that the LEAs have learned a strategic lesson from the earlier protests, deciding that turning them into riots was having a negative effect on the police, so now they are going to try just letting them happen in hopes that there will be less media attention and they will just fade away quietly. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3185 "2023-01-29T18:31:32Z")
To ask this presupposes that it is the protestors that were the sole initiators of the violence. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3186 "2023-01-29T18:46:36Z")
Truly. How can we forget the Minneapolis [Umbrella Man](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/28/896515022/minneapolis-police-reportedly-identify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist)? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3187 "2023-01-29T18:48:51Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Why were the protests over George Floyd’s murder so much more violent than the protests over Nichols’ murder? I suspect that the police department’s response probably has something to do with it. Announcing they were going to release the video ahead of time seems pretty strange, but not if you consider it a pre-emptive attempt to stave off public outrage. The message seemed to be, “Um, we’re going to be releasing this video, and it’s really bad, you guys. I mean super bad. So please don’t riot.” First time I’ve ever heard a police department respond with the appropriate level of horror and dismay or in any way prepare the public for what they were about to see. So maybe that has helped quell the chaos. That and the victim’s Mom asked people not to riot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=158) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=160)