# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 164
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3268 "2023-02-14T19:13:08Z")
From the article, it looks like the only head that rolled was the whistle blower’s. > [@](#): > > Only with the release of an internal surveillance video recorded by a correctional officer did what happened to Mitchell begin to come to light, according to Jon Goldfarb, a lawyer representing Mitchell’s family. That correctional officer was later fired by the sheriff’s department, according to Goldfarb. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3269 "2023-02-14T22:46:52Z")
Well, we can’t have cops telling the truth, now can we? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3270 "2023-02-15T07:56:17Z")
> **[Body cameras on hold for Portland officers, police union and city can't reach...](https://katu.com/amp/news/local/body-cameras-on-hold-for-portland-officers-police-union-and-city-cant-reach-agreement-crime-multnomah-county-city-council)** > > Police body cameras are on hold in Portland...for the time being.CONTINUING COVERAGE | Body-worn cameras coming to Salem Police, expected rollout February 13The How is this still acceptable. How. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3271 "2023-02-15T15:51:09Z")
Rarely will I take the side of the police (and here “police” means “the institution of policing at-large”), but I think I see their point in this case. The article says that the cops’ union wants the officers to be able to review their own body-camera footage when writing up reports, the Justice Department does not want that. I admit that I am fully unaware of the intricacies regarding these issues, but it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a cop would want to write the most accurate report possible (ideally, anyway), and if that means referring to the body camera footage, so what? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3272 "2023-02-15T15:59:14Z")
Sure, from the cop’s perspective. But from the perspective of the public, I want to know that the cop is honest in writing his reports. ISTM this might be an opportunity to weed out the cops who routinely lie in their reports. If they can check their footage, then they’ll know what they can’t lie about. If they can’t, then they’ll be more motivated to tell the truth about everything, since they won’t know what’s in the footage that might reveal any lies in their reports. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3273 "2023-02-15T16:01:51Z")
I must confess that I hadn’t thought of it in that way. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3274 "2023-02-15T16:13:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If they can check their footage, then they’ll know what they can’t lie about. I had\* a friend that is a corrections officer. He would tell me how they would review the footage, then spend hours to get their stories straight so that it was consistent with what the camera showed. Their report wasn’t accurate, but it _was_ consistent with the footage. \*this and other stories in that vein is why the past tense is used here. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3275 "2023-02-15T17:27:42Z")
The last couple posts are exactly why the police should not be allowed to preview the footage to square up their paperwork. They write their reports as honestly as they can, full stop, and then we compare. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3276 "2023-02-15T17:31:57Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > the police should not be allowed to preview the footage to square up their paperwork. Has their been any reporting that shows the representative(s) for the city government have taken this position in their negotiation with the police union? I sure hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3277 "2023-02-15T20:30:59Z")
> **[Georgia police officer charged with concealing death of missing 16-year-old girl](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/georgia-police-officer-charged-concealing-death-missing-16-year-old-gi-rcna70753)** > > Miles Bryant, 22, was fired from the Doraville Police Department on Monday after officials announced charges against him in connection with the disappearance and death of Susana Morales. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3278 "2023-02-15T21:55:49Z")
> **[Charges Against NewsNation Reporter Dropped After Video Reveals Top Military...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/charges-against-newsnation-reporter-dropped-after-video-reveals-top-military-officer-shoving-him-in-chest/ar-AA17wQhd?cvid=ba482bf315ce48ef869871c1d317b3dd)** > > Ohio's attorney general affirmed that Evan Lambert did not act unlawfully during a news conference about a recent train derailment and explosion So, they admit Ohio’s National Guard, Major Gen. John Harris assaulted the reporter? Why isn’t HE in custody and facing charges right now??? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3279 "2023-02-15T22:12:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Why isn’t HE in custody and facing charges right now??? Along with anyone who went along with this false arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3280 "2023-02-16T18:22:07Z")
Holy Flurking Schnit! > **[Alabama man froze to death in jail after officers put him in freezer as...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/alabama-man-froze-to-death-in-jail-after-officers-put-him-in-freezer-as-possible-punishment-lawsuit-alleges/ar-AA17wQJU?cvid=b817a4e30e254ff4b2b63ef9f9d87a43)** > > An Alabama inmate died of hypothermia after jail officers allegedly restrained him in a walk-in freezer and left him there. His body temperature dropped to 72 degrees. My worst nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3281 "2023-02-16T19:11:36Z")
I am working on a novel in which this is done to my heroine while she is a prisoner. I had to research what happens to people locked in freezers. I’ll be honest, I wondered if I weren’t being a bit unrealistic – why would prison guards do that? I wondered. Not a fun example of life imitating art. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3282 "2023-02-16T19:26:07Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > why would prison guards do that? To torture him for making their job difficult. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3283 "2023-02-16T19:49:18Z")
Like when your pet komodo monitor lizard becomes troublesome so you put him in the cold room to make him torpid. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3284 "2023-02-16T22:02:30Z")
I spose coulda also gone in Jan. 7 and Beyond thread > **[Messages: Officer often fed information to Proud Boys leader](https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — A police officer frequently provided Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio with internal information about law enforcement operations in the weeks before other members of his far-right extremist group stormed the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3285 "2023-02-17T21:47:10Z")
> **[Nevada officer slams student recording police, kneels on him](https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/nevada-officer-slams-student-recording-182624761.html)** > > LAS VEGAS (AP) — A school police officer in Las Vegas was captured on cellphone video last week slamming a \[…\] The post Nevada officer slams student recording police, kneels on him appeared first on TheGrio. I thought they had stopped this shit. /s ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3286 "2023-02-18T14:51:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I thought they had stopped this shit. /s What shit do you refer to? Roughing up people for filming them, or manhandling teenagers? As for manhandling teenagers, it will never stop. Especially if they’re poor and/or Black/brown. As for roughing up people filming them, that’s been dialed back of late after court after court after court has ruled that it’s perfectly legal. However, as cockroaches scatter when the light is turned on, so, too, do cops hate having their actions recorded. And they’ll find other reasons to cock-block recording. The thing I seem them reverting to most these days is “officer safety,” which is vague and _ad hoc_ and words like that. I’m not defending anyone, but in this particular case, it does seem as if one bystander did get within a couple of feet of the cop. That’s generally a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3287 "2023-02-18T14:54:35Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > What shit do you refer to? Roughing up people for filming them, or manhandling teenagers? - Both. BTW, is your avatar Greg from How To Drink? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=163) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=165)