# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 177
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3528 "2023-05-18T22:22:46Z")
American cops would have just fired a bunch of bullets into her and then high-fived each other afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3529 "2023-05-23T01:30:58Z")
> **[FBI investigating shooting death of Native man by border patrol in Arizona](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/21/fbi-investigation-border-patrol-shooting-death-arizona)** > > Raymond Mattia of the Tohono O’odham Nation in southern Arizona was shot by agents after calling them for assistance ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3530 "2023-05-23T06:09:05Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > American cops would have just fired a bunch of bullets into her and then high-fived each other afterwards. Or just knelt on her neck for nine minutes. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3531 "2023-05-25T21:25:53Z")
11 year old who called police for help shot in the chest. Asks the cops “what did I do wrong?” You were born black in America, kid. It’s often a fatal mistake. > **[‘What Did I Do Wrong?’ 11-Year-Old Boy Shot By Cop After Calling For Help](https://www.vice.com/en/article/ak3eaa/greg-capers-mississippi-aderrien-murry-shooting)** > > The family is calling for the officer to be fired and charged. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3532 "2023-05-26T14:00:22Z")
Do you care enough to be a cop? I just saw this video and it seems to get straight to the root of policing issues: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Yxt_foRCN7k/maxresdefault.jpg "Who is attracted to policing jobs? | Brian Klaas") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxt_foRCN7k) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3533 "2023-05-26T15:13:12Z")
We recruit exactly the wrong kind of people to be cops, they come from the shallow end of the labor pool and they are such huge fucking pussies; an eleven year old black child is terrifying to them, but they love to play up what bad asses they are, but it’s not even that dangerous a job. Sanitation workers have a more dangerous job, but they seem to do it with out fascist imagery and child murder. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3534 "2023-05-26T15:39:18Z")
There just is a number of cops out there who go out with the mentality that they are not in Suburb, USA, among their fellow working class Americans trying to live their lives, but in Fallujah in 2004 trying to pacify a population of hostiles every man, woman, or child of whom may be the one coming to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3535 "2023-05-26T15:54:57Z")
Possibly a self fulfilling prophecy. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3536 "2023-05-26T15:59:18Z")
They see themselves as an occupying force. Their job is to protect white folks from black folks. Black folks are the enemy, not the community they serve and a significant portion of America endorses this wholeheartedly. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3537 "2023-05-26T21:08:12Z")
I can’t wait to hear why the police officer there was actually a hero. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3538 "2023-05-27T19:47:52Z")
FFS [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/sC4s28s4BlQ/maxresdefault.jpg "NYPD tries to run motorcycle off the road. #news #motorcycle #police #bikelife") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC4s28s4BlQ) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3539 "2023-05-27T19:49:39Z")
Better (wider) video [https://i.imgur.com/lZ9zZX6.mp4](https://i.imgur.com/lZ9zZX6.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3540 "2023-05-27T20:11:44Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > FFS In London, “tactical contact” is normal practice for dealing with scooter thieves: **[Police Drive Head On With Moped Thief (Front Dashcam Footage)](https://youtu.be/Jv2q_7-Trvw?t=26)** There are rules of engagement: > **[Knocking criminals off scooters just got easier](https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2019/october/tactical-contact-approved-for-police)** > > IPOC has issued guidance to help police do their job Similar to the “Pursuit Intervention Technique” used here in the US against cars, the rules determine under what circumstances it’s appropriate to use tactical contact, and how to use it to reduce the odds of injuring the rider and any passenger (and any bystanders). The video you linked to didn’t appear to follow any of the rules of engagement one would expect, even for a US police pursuit: > **[Caught on video: NYPD cruiser uses dangerous maneuvers to force scooter off...](https://abc7ny.com/nypd-scooter-traffic-queens/13299147/)** > > Video shows an NYPD police cruiser using several unauthorized and dangerous maneuvers to force a scooter rider off a Queens highway. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3541 "2023-05-27T20:19:16Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Similar to the “Pursuit Intervention Technique” used here in the US against cars, the rules determine under what circumstances it’s appropriate to use tactical contact, and how to use it to reduce the odds of injuring the rider and any passenger (and any bystanders). Do any of those circumstances allow them to PIT someone without their lights and siren on? Are there any rules that allow the cop to do any thing they were doing in that video while completely surrounded by traffic? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3542 "2023-05-27T21:24:14Z")
“While completely surrounded by traffic” is key, there: If the police had succeeded in making contact, that’d almost certainly have resulted in a multi-fatality crash. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3543 "2023-05-27T22:32:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If the police had succeeded in making contact, that’d almost certainly have resulted in a multi-fatality crash. As long as our heroes get home safely to THEIR families, ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3544 "2023-05-28T19:55:40Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Do any of those circumstances allow them to PIT someone without their lights and siren on? Are there any rules that allow the cop to do any thing they were doing in that video while completely surrounded by traffic? If you had bothered to read my entire post, you might have spotted my lead in to the article I linked to: [quote=“Machine\_Elf, post:3540, topic:912531”] The video you linked to didn’t appear to follow any of the rules of engagement one would expect, even for a US police pursuit:[/quote] ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3545 "2023-05-28T23:03:54Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > As long as our heroes get home safely to THEIR families, This is the crux of > [@JRDelirious](#): > > There just is a number of cops out there who go out with the mentality that they are not in Suburb, USA, among their fellow working class Americans trying to live their lives, but in Fallujah in 2004 trying to pacify a population of hostiles … > [@madmonk28](#): > > They see themselves as an occupying force.… the probem. Police officers live in McMansions in Slideview Pointe and commute 30 miles into Barriotown to “clean the place up”. They have no stake in the Barriotown community, just a paycheck for their mercenary efforts. Simply requiring the community to hire police who live in that same community would go a long way toward improving their attitudes. There will be no progress as long as LEOs are unaccountable outsiders. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3546 "2023-05-29T00:14:15Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Police officers live in McMansions in Slideview Pointe and commute 30 miles into Barriotown to “clean the place up”. I live in Slideview Point (“An affluent semi rural oasis”) with a bunch of cops employed by the more diverse cities. “I am not a racist, but…” seems to be the unofficial motto of the Boston Police Patrolman’s Association. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3547 "2023-05-29T01:54:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Police officers live in McMansions in Slideview Pointe and commute 30 miles into Barriotown to “clean the place up”. Kansas City, MO had a requirement that the police live in the city. Now, very few lived in the poor sections, but they were at least part of the city. The state of MO passed a law (charge led by a QOP senator in a city near to KC, MO (Parkville, if you want to look at a map)) that lifted that requirement. Other than the state loving to fuck with our police department (it is under state, not city, control dating back to the 1930’s and Boss Tom Pendergast), apparently they were looking to get some new residents? The law did have a last minute amendment that allows the city to at least require the officers to live in MO, which was a consideration with Kansas being right there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=176) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=178)