# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 179
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3568 "2023-06-12T18:39:00Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > You’d think that at some point the departments and/or the municipal governments would get tired of paying out and would tell the cops in no uncertain terms to stop doing that shit. As someone (maybe in this thread) mentioned, if insurance companies stopped covering these payouts, it would end in a hurry. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3569 "2023-06-12T18:55:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > As someone (maybe in this thread) mentioned, if insurance companies stopped covering these payouts, it would end in a hurry. Municipalities buy insurance policies to cover civil judgments against them? If so, wouldn’t the premiums be based on the risk of a payout as determined by the insurer? In other words, wouldn’t a city be motivated to reduce the likelihood of a payout by training their officers not to do stupid stuff, so as to reduce the cost of the premiums they have to pay for the insurance? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3570 "2023-06-12T21:46:00Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Municipalities buy insurance policies to cover civil judgments against them? Yup. Some, not all, do. Some are ‘self insured’ > [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > If so, wouldn’t the premiums be based on the risk of a payout as determined by the insurer? That seems like a safe assumption. > [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > In other words, wouldn’t a city be motivated to reduce the likelihood of a payout by training their officers not to do stupid stuff, so as to reduce the cost of the premiums they have to pay for the insurance? It would appear not. My guess has always been that it doesn’t really matter if it doesn’t directly impact the officer(s) involved. The rates go up, the tax payers pay a few more dollars and that’s the end of it. IMO, if you make the officer responsible for that additional premium, they’d have a reason to not do things that would require a settlement. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3571 "2023-06-12T22:42:52Z")
Something I ran across in Reddit: > [I’m burying my cousin today because he had ONE drink.](https://www.reddit.com/r/stopdrinking/comments/147u6vl/im_burying_my_cousin_today_because_he_had_one/) > This is one of the hardest days I’ve ever experienced in sobriety. He and i were the same age (42) we lived a mile apart growing up and he was my best friend. We both struggled with addiction and we both got sober 14 years ago. I stayed sober he was in and out. I got I’m back into rehab 2.5 years ago and since he’s sent me the daily reflection and we’d talk about it. Every single day for 2.5 years without fail we talked. Last Saturday night he had a fish fry with his family and some friends. He put the kids to bed and when he came downstairs I’m told he was slurring his words (he was a blackout drinker) **he blacked out and his wife had to call 911 because she was afraid he was gonna hurt himself. He was shot and killed by the police shortly after they arrived.** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3572 "2023-06-12T22:51:10Z")
I don’t know about the content of that post, but the title is inaccurate. Nobody blacks out because they have ONE drink. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3573 "2023-06-12T23:39:05Z")
I think the title on that post is meant to be ironic. It’s referring to the trap a lot of people in recovery fall into, where they convince themselves that they can have just “one drink” and stop. And, instead, they have a great many drinks, completely break their sobriety, and, in this case, get shot by a cop. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3574 "2023-06-12T23:53:16Z")
Alcoholics tend to develop a tolerance, to where they can be way over the legal definition of intoxicated without exhibiting typical drunkeness. This can go on for years, until they burn up their liver. When the liver goes bad, the tolerance goes backwards, and they get drunk on a teaspoonful (exaggeration). Or, the individual in question might well have had some other health issue, and maybe did not even have a drink but just appeared to be drunk. The anecdote mentions a fish fry: fried food, IIUC, tends to affect liver metabolism, which might have made him appear to be drunk or made the “one drink” hit him hard. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3575 "2023-06-13T00:11:49Z")
Along those lines, it’s also possible that, in the two years since he stopped drinking, he’s started taking some medication that doesn’t react well with alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3576 "2023-06-14T18:53:02Z")
Technically this is law-enforcement vs law-enforcement. A cop late for work was doing 80 in a 45 with no lights or sirens. He’s pulled over by a cop in the town he was driving through. First he doesn’t pull over, then when he does he tells the officer that pulled him over that he’s on his way to work and continues on his way. Being relieved of duty is a good start. Let’s see if he ends up in another LEO position. > **[Florida police officer relieved of duty after dispute with deputy over speeding](https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-police-officer-relieved-duty-174021058.html)** > > Bodycam footage showed part of a high-speed pursuit, as well as a heated exchange between the Orlando police officer and the deputy. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3577 "2023-06-14T19:20:13Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Let’s see if he ends up in another LEO position. That’s exactly what will happen. He’ll resign before he can be fired and then be wearing a different badge the next month. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3578 "2023-06-17T03:06:38Z")
[link removed] ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3579 "2023-06-17T03:25:19Z")
There’s something hinky with that site you linked, I got demanded to give my login credentials just by looking at your post, I didn’t click on the link. I’ve reported it for moderator attention. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3580 "2023-06-17T05:47:23Z")
Yes, it’s weird. But if you just click on the link while ignoring the logon request it seems to work normally. Here is a summary of the article: > **[Undercover FBI Agent Groomed Teenager to Join ISIS as a Terrorist: Report](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/undercover-fbi-agent-groomed-teenager-to-join-isis-as-a-terrorist-report/ar-AA1cEsIK)** > > An Undercover FBI Agent Groomed and intellectually challenged Teenager to Join ISIS as a Terrorist: Report ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3581 "2023-06-24T23:21:18Z")
She was inside her apartment armed with a hammer. Three police officers opened fire and killed her. > **[Three SAPD officers charged with murder after killing woman overnight, Chief...](https://www.11alive.com/article/news/nation-world/police-shot-and-kill-woman-threatening-officers-chief-mcmanus-says-san-antonio-texas/273-24a5f4ae-4c48-4095-afeb-085d6482c4d2)** > > Police say the woman appeared to be suffering a mental health crisis when officers responded early Friday morning. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3582 "2023-06-25T12:33:56Z")
Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3583 "2023-06-25T12:48:36Z")
They had to bust him before he turned in his “ISIS handler”. It’s funny if you don’t account for the fact that the FBI is deadly serious about them having busted a terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3584 "2023-06-26T17:56:36Z")
> **[West Virginia state police face damning claims: ‘The more we dug, the worse...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/26/west-virginia-state-police-anonymous-letter-criminal-allegations)** > > An anonymous letter detailed abuses including hidden cameras, theft, kidnapping, druggings and rape – and their cover-up ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3585 "2023-06-30T14:30:53Z")
A really sickening story, including the fact that it took nearly 6 months to fire the officers that tortured two men for several hours. Still no charges against the officers. > **[Multiple deputies fired after 2 Black men file lawsuit alleging torture and...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/us/rankin-county-mississippi-officers-fired-lawsuit-black-men/index.html)** > > The Rankin County Sheriff’s Office in Mississippi has fired multiple deputies after two Black men filed a federal civil rights lawsuit alleging six White deputies entered their private residence illegally and tortured them for nearly two hours. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3586 "2023-07-01T14:15:59Z")
Woman was watching TV in her house. Cops knocked on her door. She opened the door. Cops asked her if she witnessed an accident. She said she did not. Cops suspected she was drunk. So they did the prudent thing and arrested her. And then searched her house. > **[North Hampton Chief Leaves After Investigation Into Questionable Arrest - NH...](https://nhjournal.com/north-hampton-chief-leaves-after-investigation-into-questionable-arrest/)** > > New Hampshire - North Hampton Chief Leaves After Investigation Into Questionable Arrest - NH Journal - Politics ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3587 "2023-07-01T16:07:28Z")
Lucky thing she is a white female. Lord knows what they would have done if a black male had owned the home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=178) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=180)