# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/342 "2020-09-04T21:26:01Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > So if he was a Washington resident he probably didn’t have an Oregon license What gives you the impression that he was a Washington resident? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/343 "2020-09-05T00:12:29Z")
Just more guessing. The police attempted to take him into custody at an apartment complex and they had good information that he would be there. The most likely way would be if it were an address of record. But even if he was a resident of Oregon he would still have had to have a permit to carry a weapon in Portland. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/344 "2020-09-05T00:31:33Z")
Well, it was not his address of record. That much has been said in the news stories, which also refer to him as “a Portland man”. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/345 "2020-09-05T01:28:49Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > One thing that I hate most about Harris podcasts is that they don’t have transcripts, and I’m not going to listen to an hour to find out what it is that someone refers to. You don’t have to listen to an hour, just ten minutes and three seconds. I gave the time stamps: 18:52 - 28:55. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/346 "2020-09-05T04:59:06Z")
This Rochester killing, like that of George Floyd, looks indefensible. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/347 "2020-09-05T05:28:13Z")
The police are not properly trained in dealing with people that have mental issues and should not be the call of first resort if a person is behaving oddly. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/348 "2020-09-05T05:57:24Z")
> [@Boudicca90](#): > > o anyone who doesn’t think law enforcement in this country is becoming WAY too totalitarian, God damn, this runs right through the tape of “totalitarian” and gets to “dystopian.” Actual quote: "Rodgers and his team would show up at people’s homes just to make them uncomfortable, he said. They didn’t always log the contacts in the agency’s official records. He recalled parking five patrol cars outside one target’s home all night and visiting some as many as six times in a single day. They would do the same to targets’ friends, relatives and other “associates,” he said." ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/349 "2020-09-05T20:56:33Z")
The top comment said that the white guy in the car hadn’t been arrested, so that was the difference. But the actual difference is that he wasn’t arrested. ETA: Apologies. That was about the video of the white guy who cursed out a cop while the cop had his gun raised. I clicked on reply, and couldn’t see any other way to reply to that specific post. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/350 "2020-09-07T16:09:29Z")
An old story but there’s a reason I’m posting it. > **['I felt threatened': Guard pulls weapon on young men trying to buy food from...](https://wjla.com/news/local/security-guard-removed-from-popeyes)** > > When Azure Rivera and a group of friends went to Popeyes, on Saturday night around 11:30 p. m. , they were expecting a delicious meal but instead, they ended up at the center of a tense moment. “He just said it was closed,” Rivera said. The high... That same Popeyes is currently the target of a BLM protest because another guard maced and forcibly detained a woman working for UberEats. Saturday night, she allegedly used the wrong door when picking up an order; I can’t find anything online. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/351 "2020-09-08T00:41:19Z")
> **['No tolerance for violence' | Protesters rally at Popeye's over viral...](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/protesters-rally-at-popeyes-over-viral-altercation-between-woman-and-security-officer/65-a4470418-c990-46b5-92ce-875e4f4716b1)** > > After the incident, Black Lives Matter DC announced on Twitter calls for a protest demanding changes and showing support for the woman involved in the incident. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/352 "2020-09-08T07:22:53Z")
And now for something from our Hong Kong bureau… > **[Hong Kong shocked by violent police arrest of 12-year-old girl](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/07/hong-kong-violent-police-arrest-of-12-year-old-girl)** > > Child’s mother says her daughter was buying art supplies when she was tackled and pinned to the ground by police ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/353 "2020-09-08T15:31:54Z")
Yep, that’s the one. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/354 "2020-09-08T18:45:13Z")
> **[‘He’s a small child’: Utah police shot a 13-year-old boy with autism after...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/08/linden-cameron-utah-autistic-shooting/)** > > "Why didn’t you just tackle him?” said his mother, Golda Barton. “He’s a baby. He has mental issues.” The complete headline is: **‘He’s a small child’: Utah police shot a 13-year-old autistic boy after his mother called 911 for help** Some interesting (and frankly, disheartening) responses in the comments section. One in particular struck me: _“Never, never ever call the cops on a member of your family, unless you want that person dead.”_ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/355 "2020-09-08T19:09:27Z")
> [@](#): > > The problem is so acute [some cities have moved](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/police-encounter-many-people-with-mental-health-crises-could-psychiatrists-help/2018/07/20/20561c26-7484-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_12) toward sending non-police crisis units to respond to mental health emergencies. > > That’s the type of help Barton said she was hoping to find when she called an emergency line around 10 p.m. on Friday. In case anyone has questions, that’s exactly what is meant by “defund the police”. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/356 "2020-09-08T20:57:12Z")
School calls police on a boy playing with a toy gun in his own home while socially distancing during online schooling, then suspends him from school. [Black Student Suspended For Waving Toy Gun In Virtual Class](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/black-student-suspended-toy-gun-virtual-class)? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/357 "2020-09-08T21:17:37Z")
Fucking hell. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/358 "2020-09-08T21:36:42Z")
I don’t disagree that a classroom is not a gun show. But that deserves a mention to the parents, not a suspension and intervention from police. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/359 "2020-09-08T22:05:10Z")
Those were Nerf guns, not even Airsoft guns. Could he show off his water pistols? ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/360 "2020-09-08T22:16:31Z")
I pretty sure the kids have to remain clothed… 🥁 ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/361 "2020-09-10T23:30:32Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > I pretty sure the kids have to remain clothed… Schools are, in fact, imposing their at-school dress codes on students doing remote learning from home. > **[No Pajama Pants Allowed While Learning From Home, Illinois District Says...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/pajamas-school-springfield-dress-code.html)** > > The Springfield, Ill., school district said it would require students to follow its dress code regardless of how classes are held. > [@](#): > > Students in the capital of Illinois are not allowed to wear hats, bandannas, sunglasses, pajama pants or slippers in school buildings. And that dress code now extends to their bedrooms and kitchen tables. > > “We don’t need students in pajamas and all those other things while on their Zoom conferences,” Jason Wind, the district’s director of student support, explained during an online board meeting of Springfield Public Schools this week. > > Along with the clothing requirements, the district’s remote learning guidelines mandate that students be “sitting up out of bed, preferably at a desk or table. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=19)