# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3768 "2023-10-05T21:43:10Z")
An Atlanta-area man was tased in the course of a traffic stop. Apparently, the encounter went something like “_Sign the ticket! You gotta sign the ticket!_” “Okay, I will sign the ticket” “_Sign it! You gotta sign it, dammit!_” “Yeah, yeah, look, I’m signing it” (_he’s not signing the ticket fast enough_ \< **ZAP** \>) The man later died of complications exacerbated by the tasing. > **[M.E.’s office reveals new details on death of Atlanta deacon who was tased in...](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/mes-office-reveals-new-details-death-atlanta-deacon-who-was-tased-police-custody/BEPVJRX7W5BGBIJN7SM6YSSQ3Y/)** > > According to police, he refused to sign a traffic citation during the stop in August and then became combative. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3769 "2023-10-05T21:56:29Z")
Cant cops just write ‘subject refused to sign’ on them? Its on body-cam, fercrissakes. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3770 "2023-10-05T22:35:43Z")
Signing the ticket is ageement that you will either pay the fine or appear in court to contest it. If you fail to sign, they are obligated to arrest you. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3771 "2023-10-05T23:01:52Z")
That’s true in some states, not all. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3772 "2023-10-05T23:12:56Z")
I think it’s fair to note that the bodycam video has not been released to the public yet, and that the description of the encounter is based on what the family’s attorney said after (presumably) seeing the video (the article is short on facts, it is only implied that the attorney saw the video). The GBI is still investigating. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3773 "2023-10-06T15:26:43Z")
Cops are lying, murdering sacks of shit, protected by the government, who are also lying murdering sacks of shit. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-officers-won-t-face-charges-in-fatal-shooting-of-protester-at-cop-city/ar-AA1hNk5f?ocid=windirect&cvid=009fa318118a475786ac8d2cf680ac89&ei=11](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-officers-won-t-face-charges-in-fatal-shooting-of-protester-at-cop-city/ar-AA1hNk5f?ocid=windirect&cvid=009fa318118a475786ac8d2cf680ac89&ei=11) Cops said protestor fired first and they responded by a barrage of gunfire. Autopsy shows protestor had no gsr on hands and had hands up when shot. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3774 "2023-10-06T21:27:09Z")
And in Atlanta… [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/atlanta-police-officer-arrested-charged-with-assaulting-teen-after-responding-to-wreck/ar-AA1hOjln?ocid=windirect&cvid=47d94cea710b4928b0c35595513e2f73&ei=10](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/atlanta-police-officer-arrested-charged-with-assaulting-teen-after-responding-to-wreck/ar-AA1hOjln?ocid=windirect&cvid=47d94cea710b4928b0c35595513e2f73&ei=10) > An Atlanta police officer was charged with sexual battery Thursday after a 16-year-old girl accused him of assaulting her after he responded to a traffic accident involving the girl in early August. > The police investigation concluded Thursday when Anderson was charged with Violation of Oath of Office, Cruelty to Children (2nd degree), Aggravated Sexual Battery, and Aggravated Sodomy. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3775 "2023-10-08T15:11:50Z")
Don’t sleep in your car in a Spokane Valley park parking lot unless you are ready to get your ass beat by asshole cops. And, just remember, it’s just a few bad apples that all show up together and turn off their mics in coordination. The whole damn bunch is spoiled. > **[Spokane County Sheriff's deputy placed on leave after video surfaces of him...](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/oct/06/spokane-county-sheriffs-deputy-placed-on-leave-aft/)** > > Eleven hours into his road trip home from meeting his brand new baby granddaughter in Oregon, 62-year-old Kevin Hinton just couldn’t keep his eyes open anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3776 "2023-10-08T15:51:12Z")
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYabmKjmrw&t=28s) is the cop’s body cam footage. After the beating, the deputies turned off their audio while discussing the situation and smiling. Those cops are absolute tyrants and deserves prison time. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3777 "2023-10-08T15:56:34Z")
I’ll say it again. The police officers should not have the ability to turn off their body cams. When they do need to be turned off for various legit reasons, there can be a departmental policy on how that’s handled, but at the very least, it should require a specific reason and a second person signing off on it. I also like the idea that if an officer turns it off, the judge/jury/defense attorney should be allowed to make the assumption that the officer is lying/hiding something and, similarly, whatever they’re charged with should be ‘aggravated’. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3778 "2023-10-13T19:37:48Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/colorado-officer-found-guilty-in-elijah-mcclain-death/ar-AA1i7Y3q?ocid=windirect&cvid=2933819b0f194bbda1c9b05b823b5e56&ei=24](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/colorado-officer-found-guilty-in-elijah-mcclain-death/ar-AA1i7Y3q?ocid=windirect&cvid=2933819b0f194bbda1c9b05b823b5e56&ei=24) Cop found guilty in death of Elijah McClain ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3779 "2023-10-14T02:32:34Z")
I just saw a chyron on the local news channel,       _Crime down in_ (our large city) _amid officer shortage_ Now, what an odd coincidence. Those two things could not possibly be related. Could they? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3780 "2023-10-17T13:10:23Z")
Long story short: a first amendment auditor was standing on a public sidewalk and peacefully filming a courthouse. She was detained and arrested. She sued, and rightfully so. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIy3FUSBQo) is the deposition by Sgt Jennifer Larson, who was one of the officers on the scene. In the clip, Sgt Larson is being questioned by the plaintiff’s attorney. The attorney does an excellent job, and easily proves that she’s as dumb as a box of rocks. It’s truly incredible just how _ignorant_ Sgt Larson is on what’s lawfully required to detain or arrest someone. It’s a systemic problem, though, in that (IMO) most officers are _just as ignorant_. Are they not taught the basics of law? Why do they not understand constitutionally-protected rights? If I were as incompetent in _my_ job as they are in _their_ job, I would be fired within a week. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3781 "2023-10-17T15:14:39Z")
I saw that on youtube. Her co-defendant and superior, a man with 22 years experience, claimed never to arrested anyone never read anyone their rights. He said he could not recite the Miranda warning. They were both lying. But it does force us to ask the question. How can someone enforce the law if they do not know what it is? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3782 "2023-10-17T16:27:03Z")
Excessive adherence to the law is a serious impediment to Law Enforcement. It might be helpful in law enforcement, but that’s not what Law Enforcement is about. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3783 "2023-10-17T16:47:21Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > He said he could not recite the Miranda warning. I think I could recite the Miranda warning, just by watching American movies. Here the police just say “The time is 18:44 and you are under arrest”. The time is because you have the right to see a judge in under 24 hours. How dumb must a _cop_ be to not have the Miranda warning memorised? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3784 "2023-10-17T16:50:29Z")
Some departments figure they’re dumb enough that they need to carry a little card with the warning printed up, so they can read it to the arrestee and get it right. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3785 "2023-10-17T16:51:50Z")
They are not dumb, they are playing dumb. Plausible deniability (even barely plausible) and qualified immunity (if even more barely qualified) are powerful weapons in the fight against accountability, which seems to be the top priority for Law Enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3786 "2023-10-17T17:10:17Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > …which seems to be the top priority for Law Enforcement. That, and “officer safety.” They seem obsessed with it, and justify all of their actions (lawful or not) with “officer safety.” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3787 "2023-10-17T17:12:24Z")
Reading from the card isn’t dumb at all. If I was a defense lawyer, one of the first questions I’d ask a questioning officer is if they read the warning or did it from memory. If they answered “memory” I’d immediately move for dismissal of charges based on my client not being advised of their rights. Cops should READ it every single time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=188) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=190)