# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 191
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3808 "2023-10-19T15:05:18Z")
I would not express it as being “in the right” – a traffic stop ended in a death. There are questions that should be asked. Did the officer have other options? Should this officer (or any officer) have been working alone? I agree this officer is probably not to blame for the outcome, but a deeper look should be taken, including at how this police department deploys its officers, and what their standard practices are when a lone officer is faced with an uncooperative and aggressive person during a traffic stop or similar non-criminal situation. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3809 "2023-10-19T16:00:54Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > After a minute of hostile non-compliance and arguing in circles Gee whiz, I guess he really DID need to kill the guy. A whole minute of hostility? Just how much is a cop supposed to take before physically attacking the other person, losing the fight, and being “forced” to kill him for the officers own safety? Let’s be REAL clear here, he shot Cure in the back with a taser because Cure pointed his arm up in the air. Fuck that cop, and fuck all the cop trainers who convince these guys to just fuck anyone up who isn’t bowing and scraping to their glorious cop-ness. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3810 "2023-10-19T16:35:48Z")
I just watched the first few minutes. That cop was hostile and threatening from the beginning. HE made it a dangerous situtioin. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3811 "2023-10-19T17:06:10Z")
Bingo. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3812 "2023-10-19T17:36:59Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > But I don’t think that officer deserves blame for defending himself in this incident. I see that you are not aware of this thread’s alternate title ‘All cops are bad cops all the time’. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3813 "2023-10-19T17:39:53Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > I think you could maybe blame a shitty justice system that unjustly imprisoned Cure for 16 years and made him wary of any subsequent police contact. But I don’t think that officer deserves blame for defending himself in this incident. Yeah, I probably posted this in the wrong thread, and after I posted I saw that it is also in the Miscarriage of Justice thread, which is probably a better place for it. A tragic situation all around, but there isn’t too much to criticize the cop for, at least not at the point where he used force. I think that any person who knew about Cure’s history would understand why he would react poorly to being told that he was under arrest, but a cop on the side of the road doesn’t need to take that into consideration when he is being assaulted. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3814 "2023-10-19T17:43:54Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > All cops are bad cops all the time It’s mostly when they kill people because they’re bad at their jobs. It only seems like all cops all the time because this happens multiple times a day. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3815 "2023-10-19T17:44:57Z")
Maybe they should, y’know, stop doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3816 "2023-10-19T18:31:00Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Off-duty police officer shows up at the local middle school for a “trunk-or-treat” event, gets a wild hair up something, shouts “_you’ce all gonna die_” and starts shooting the place up. He pleads not guilty, but agrees he’s in urgent need of a mental health evaluation. [https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/shooting-kirkwood-halloween-event-mcculloch/63-4ab52a50-b477-48b5-8974-6efd1130f5f6](https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/shooting-kirkwood-halloween-event-mcculloch/63-4ab52a50-b477-48b5-8974-6efd1130f5f6) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3817 "2023-10-19T19:02:00Z")
“Cash only” means he has to put up the whole bond not just the 10% thing? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3818 "2023-10-19T19:04:57Z")
Pretty much. It means a bail bondsman is right out. Which means he sits in jail, where he belongs. Until he gets badly needed treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3819 "2023-10-19T20:20:29Z")
# [Uniformed cop accused of breaking into ex’s home and harassing new girlfriend](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/it-was-15-minutes-of-terror-uniformed-cop-accused-of-breaking-into-ex-s-home-and-harassing-new-girlfriend/ar-AA1iwute?cvid=641a860132304f48aaea9f35b4bd8acc&ei=25) > A woman is speaking out after her boyfriend’s ex — a cop — allegedly broke into their home while armed and in uniform and confronted the couple. Unstable, armed and paid by the government. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3820 "2023-10-20T17:20:22Z")
Further information on the incident discussed upthread, in which Birmingham police officers tazed and arrested high school band director Johnny Mims. More body cam footage shows a discussion between an officer and Mims, during which officers say that students on the bus have been maced, and they are unsure whether or not medical attention is needed. The officer speaking with Mims, apparently belatedly realizing that there might be PR ramifications, had this to say: > [@](#): > > “Right now, I care about them babies on the bus that just got maced,” the officer says. “I care about them babies that ain’t gonna trust the police because of this situation.” Perhaps, if you care about children and want them to trust the police, you could start by having the police not mace them. > **[New video: Officers say students were maced after Minor High School band...](https://www.wvtm13.com/article/band-director-tased-minor-high-school-students-mace/45250795)** > > "They just maced the kids on the bus," a police officer can be heard saying in the video as they approach the group putting Mims in a vehicle. "I don't know if they need the medics or not." ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3821 "2023-10-20T20:18:00Z")
Thanks for the update. I was wondering about that incident earlier this week. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3822 "2023-10-20T20:28:40Z")
I’m baffled at the officer whining about how everything is all screwed up, complaining about having to fix all this… to the guy in handcuffs. Who was tased a little while ago. Whose students have just been maced by other cops. And the cop is complaining. Yes, officer “we” need to fix this. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3823 "2023-10-21T00:55:48Z")
Meaning the body cam videos won’t support their coverup and they need to figure out a way around that? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3824 "2023-10-21T01:18:40Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > …it goes downhill from there. Cure is younger, bigger, and stronger, and the officer is alone. After a minute of hostile non-compliance and arguing in circles, the officer uses his taser. Your description elides a lot. What violent actions did Cure take, prior to the tasing? Non-compliance is not a justification for assault. Or was the tasing the first act of violence? ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3825 "2023-10-24T16:25:12Z")
For anybody just looking for a summary of the current state of the law concerning policing in America: [https://www.hasthesupremecourtfixedqualifiedimmunityyet.com/](https://www.hasthesupremecourtfixedqualifiedimmunityyet.com/) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3826 "2023-10-24T17:24:43Z")
> **[Boy, 8, and mother held at gunpoint by Sacramento police in mistaken identity](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/24/boy-and-mother-held-gunpoint-police-sacramento-mistaken-identity)** > > Brandon Stewart’s pregnant mother feared for his life when police pulled over their car on the way to football practice ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3827 "2023-10-25T21:58:27Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > [Judge dismisses charges against Philadelphia police officer Mark Dial in fatal Eddie Irizarry shooting | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/philadelphia-police-officer-murder-charge-fatal-shooting-c938e3c940ee5c1d598e0cf70c04a635) > **[Judge reinstates murder charge against Philadelphia police officer in fatal...](https://apnews.com/article/philadelphia-police-officer-murder-charge-fatal-shooting-45ad0f8725938b8c69fbaed235b3fc2b)** > > A judge has reinstated all charges, including a murder count, against a former police officer who shot and killed a driver through a rolled-up car window. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=190) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=192)