# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 194
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3868 "2023-11-28T21:07:21Z")
> **[SPD Officer quits job amid allegations he worked as 'muscle' for a couple...](https://news.yahoo.com/spd-officer-quits-job-amid-185812935.html)** > > A former Seattle Police officer is accused of cozying up to a felon and the felon’s wife in a drug trafficking operation that drew the attention of Seattle’s Office of Police Accountability. Seattle police? Seems normal. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3869 "2023-11-28T22:46:35Z")
Well, you know, to catch a criminal, you have to be able to think like a criminal. It is that newfangled fad called “method acting”. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3870 "2023-11-28T23:28:25Z")
I don’t know if this case was mentioned upthread, but back in May this year, a copper tasered a 95 year old woman, in a nursing home, on a walking frame, because she was brandishing a knife. Clare Knowland had dementia and was agitated, but really posed no threat because of her frailty. She died a week later, and the cop has now been charged with manslaughter. [Clare Knowland tasered, cop now charged with manslaughter.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-29/nsw-nowland-charges-taser-death-upgraded-police-kristian-white/103163824) ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3871 "2023-11-30T01:12:04Z")
From the article. > [@](#): > > That officer, Brandon Gandy, ultimately quit his job before being fired. Now, the state’s Criminal Justice Training Commission is piecing through his story in an attempt to determine whether his certification to work as a police officer should be revoked. You think? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3872 "2023-12-05T15:26:44Z")
I’m predicting this next one will turn into a controversial encounter between law enforcement and civilians, but with a different spin. Less then 48 hours ago this happened (not my picture): [![](https://i.imgur.com/SBsLpvv.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/SBsLpvv.jpg) As soon as the pictures started showing up on facebook people jumped to defend the driver of the car since trucks shouldn’t be on that road. I was surprised that no one seemed to consider that, even if the truck isn’t supposed to be there, the driver still drove into the broadside of a semi (it was making a u-turn). I think he’ll probably not be held liable, but I assume the semi-truck driver will have to deal with a wrongful death suit. Now, for the controversial part, the driver of that car was an off duty cop. When cops die, people start throwing money at them. A gofundme was set up with a $10,000 goal which is currently at $43,000+. A little birdie told me he was “very drunk” and “probably texting” and an aggressive driver. I have to assume people are going to want their donated money returned when they find out he wasn’t killed in the line of duty (like his partner) or in some freak accident. He was just a drunk guy that slammed into a semi truck. He wasn’t protecting the community from danger, he was the danger that we should be protected from. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3873 "2023-12-05T17:22:13Z")
Can you give some details about this, like where it occurred, departments involved, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3874 "2023-12-05T17:26:00Z")
> **[Milwaukee police officer in 'grave condition' after semitruck crash in Oak Creek](https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/south/2023/12/04/mpd-officer-in-grave-condition-after-semitruck-crash-in-oak-creek/71805770007/)** > > Milwaukee Police Officer James Nowak is in critical condition following a traffic crash involving a car and semitruck Sunday night in Oak Creek. or here if that’s paywalled > **[Oak Creek collision; off-duty Milwaukee officer seriously hurt](https://www.fox6now.com/news/oak-creek-car-semi-collision-man)** > > An off-duty Milwaukee police officer was seriously injured in a crash in Oak Creek on Sunday, Dec. 3, and police said he is not expected to survive. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3875 "2023-12-06T01:50:25Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > He was just a drunk guy I see this happened in Wisconsin, where drinking is the state sport and the lege is owned by the taverners guild. I read a story about a guy in, I think, Kaukauna who hit two young women with his car, killing one, but it was their fault for walking in the road at 1am, so his .20 BAC did not count. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3876 "2023-12-08T16:33:04Z")
Cop and his wife walk into a porn shop, wife picks up a dildo that was “bigger than him” and as he was apparently about to hit her for wanting one that big, the clerk stepped in… > **[Oklahoma deputy arrested after allegedly assaulting adult toy store employee](https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/oklahoma-deputy-arrested-after-allegedly-assaulting-adult-toy-store-employee-david-dewitt-sex-toy-police-report-confrontation-assault-allegations-pottawatomie-county-sheriffs-office)** > > An Oklahoma sheriff's commander was jailed for allegedly assaulting an employee at an adult store. > Dewitt responded by saying, “F\*\*k you, I’m a cop.” …then… > After getting punched, the clerk asked Dewitt to leave, and that is when Dewitt started punching him several more times in the face and the rib cage area, according to the police report. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3877 "2023-12-08T16:39:48Z")
What a (obviously tiny) dick. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3878 "2023-12-09T07:18:11Z")
Do we need an omnibus thread for controversial encounters between cops and off-duty cops? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3879 "2023-12-09T18:45:56Z")
Child shot by poloce after calling 911 for help > **[Officer Shot 11-Year-Old Indianola Boy Who Called 911](https://www.mississippifreepress.org/33351/indianola-police-officer-shot-11-year-old-boy-who-called-911-for-help)** > > Aderrien Murry, an 11-year-old boy, is recovering after he called 911 for help and a responding Indianola Police officer shot him in the chest. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3880 "2023-12-10T04:21:26Z")
The child called 911 to report that his father was attacking his mother. The officer arrived and, with gun drawn, he ordered everyone out of the house. The child steps out of the house first…and the officer shoots him. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3881 "2023-12-10T13:54:59Z")
[https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/2023/12/08/brookfield-man-tased-and-arrested-by-police-but-he-wasnt-the-suspect/71837907007](https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/2023/12/08/brookfield-man-tased-and-arrested-by-police-but-he-wasnt-the-suspect/71837907007) > But Star wasn’t the guy police were looking for. So, instead: > Star was arrested for “resisting/obstructing" and was placed in Waukesha County Jail for three hours until Jones paid $300 bail and Star was released. And apparently tasing him was “objectively reasonable” and “dictated by Star’s actions and decision-making” In other words “this is all on you since you look like that other guy”. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3882 "2023-12-10T17:41:43Z")
From the _Journal Sentinel_: > [Police Chief] Garcia said the officers had objective reason to use force because of what they knew at the time about the suspect they were looking for and Star’s actions, including Star gripping the steering wheel and emerging from the truck in a sudden way that was “aggressive” and looked like “pre-attack posturing." ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3883 "2023-12-11T11:01:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The child steps out of the house first…and the officer shoots him. He probably got out of house the in a way that was aggressive and looked like pre-attack posturing. Everyone knows that 11 year old Black children are practically super-powered. Or, at least cops think that. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > And apparently tasing him was “objectively reasonable” and “dictated by Star’s actions and decision-making” I really can’t imagine how bad things were for people before there were ubiquitous cameras. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3884 "2023-12-11T11:16:34Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Everyone knows that 11 year old Black children are practically super-powered. Or, at least cops think that. Probably sweats fentanyl. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3885 "2023-12-15T06:21:04Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Child shot by poloce after calling 911 for help And no [charges files](https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1219460589/aderrien-murry-update-shot-no-criminal-conduct-mississippi-police). > **[No charges filed after police shot an 11-year-old who called for help,...](https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1219460589/aderrien-murry-update-shot-no-criminal-conduct-mississippi-police)** > > In a statement, Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch says her office completed its review into the May incident and presented it to a grand jury — who handed up the decision. > [@](#): > > A grand jury in Mississippi determined that there was no criminal conduct on behalf of the officer [who shot and wounded an 11-year-old boy in his home](https://www.npr.org/2023/06/14/1182259584/aderrien-murry-mississippi-police-officer-suspended-without-pay) who had called authorities for help. > > Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch says her office will take no further action against Sgt. Greg Capers, the officer who shot Aderrien Murry. He was black. And of course, he was a threat. > [@](#): > > After arriving at the Murry family home, police instructed everyone inside to come out with their hands up. Nakala Murry says that when the 11-year-old emerged from around a corner, **running** toward the door. Capers then opened fire, according to the family. My bolding. Oh, and an interview with the boy. > **[Boy speaks out after being shot by police; suit says he was shot without warning](https://abcnews.go.com/US/11-year-aderrien-murry-speaks-after-shot-police/story?id=99678505)** > > Aderrien Murry, the 11 year-old boy who was shot by police after calling 911, spoke out about the harrowing experience in an exclusive interview with ABC News. He’s not one of those 11-year-olds who is 6’ +. He’s still just a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3886 "2023-12-15T08:12:56Z")
> Excellent thread. Journalist summarizes published report, looking at recorded police violence historically and providing shocking statistics about the lack of police accountability. This must not be allowed to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3887 "2023-12-17T19:05:47Z")
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