# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3888 "2023-12-20T18:46:00Z")
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**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3889 "2023-12-20T19:30:56Z")
Police cannot be trusted. We simply have too many…FAR too many instances of them lying through their teeth, being caught (and contradicted by their own video) and then lying some more to save their own asses at the expense of the people they swore to serve. Joe Friday can kiss my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3890 "2023-12-20T23:25:00Z")
Hell if I inexplicably plowed my souped-up Esplanade through an Olive Garden wall by golly I’d durn-well expect nothing but full co-operation from the manager, preferably either prone or with their hands up. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3891 "2023-12-21T00:06:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Pence [told the RFT yesterday](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st-louis-police-crash-into-lgbtq-bar-arrest-its-owner-41471787) that when the crash occurred he came downstairs to find an officer demanding to see his identification. Pence refused, and was spun around and placed in handcuffs. Clearly the owners were negligent in crashing their _gay_ bar into the police vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3892 "2023-12-21T08:14:43Z")
> **[Cop Conducts Search for ‘Gender Queer’ Book in Classroom](https://news.yahoo.com/cop-conducts-search-gender-queer-164507614.html)** > > An ACLU attorney likened the search to being “the sort of thing you hear about in communist China and Russia.” Nice normal country y’all got there. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3893 "2023-12-21T19:00:15Z")
Charges dismissed in the “eating while Black” Applebee’s case. > **[Charges dismissed in Kenosha Applebee's wrongful arrest case](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/charges-dismissed-in-kenosha-applebees-wrongful-arrest-case)** > > Charges of resisting an officer, disorderly conduct and possession of marijuana charges have been dropped against Shayna Boyd and Jermelle English. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3894 "2023-12-21T23:43:06Z")
[3 Tacoma WA police officers found not guilty](https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/death-of-manuel-ellis/verdict-reached-trial-death-manuel-manny-ellis-tacoma-police-officers/281-0819c5cc-dffc-4949-b38a-ee62a7578840) for the murder of Manuel Ellis. I am guessing the brotherhood told the DA to lose the case. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3895 "2023-12-22T02:17:27Z")
An Ohio grand jury no bills case where 8 cops shoot a black guy 46 times.]([Jayland Walker grand jury decision: No indictments in fatal Akron police shooting of unarmed Black man, Ohio attorney general says - 6abc Philadelphia](https://6abc.com/jayland-walker-death-grand-jury-decision-shooting-video/13144278/)) I’m sure they tried REAL hard to get an indictment. > The grand jury concluded the officers were legally justified in their use of force, according to Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost. They were each justified in firing 6 shots into an unarmed man. Being black is SUCH a great threat to officer safety. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3896 "2023-12-22T14:20:47Z")
It’s not violent, but still stupid. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/us/gender-queer-memoir-middle-school-police-search-reaj/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/us/gender-queer-memoir-middle-school-police-search-reaj/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3897 "2023-12-22T14:44:44Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Hell if I inexplicably plowed my souped-up Esplanade through an Olive Garden wall by golly I’d durn-well expect nothing but full co-operation from the manager, preferably either prone or with their hands up. Or both. The ~~manager~~ perpetrator needs to be prone, face down, with his hands in the air, or he’s resisting arrest, and therefore needs to be arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3898 "2023-12-24T14:29:15Z")
Someone else called 911 and was shot by the police > **[Police fatally shoot Black woman who called 911 for domestic violence](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/los-angeles-domestic-violence-victim-fatally-shot-police)** > > Los Angeles sheriff’s deputy who killed Niani Finlayson, 27, previously had killed another civilian under similar circumstances > A county sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a 27-year-old woman who had called 911 to report that she was under attack by a former boyfriend, police officials and lawyers for the victim’s family said on Thursday. **Records show the deputy had killed another person in similar circumstances three years ago.** (my emphasis) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3899 "2023-12-24T17:39:05Z")
Once is happenstance; twice is coincidence; three times (which will no doubt come to pass) is why the FUCK does this cop still have a badge and a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3900 "2023-12-25T04:27:31Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Once is happenstance; twice is coincidence; three times it’s now his job to do that. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3901 "2023-12-26T03:52:59Z")
On oldie, but a goodie from “People Magazine Investigates”. In 1986, a newlywedded woman was murdered in her apartment. The woman had been shot several times and had a fresh bite mark on her arm. There appears to be evidence of burglary and a struggle. The police chase a 2 man burglary crew, find it’s a dead-end, then the case goes cold. 20 years later, the Cold Case squad discovers the identity of the killer. Turns out it was not the 2 man Mexican burglary team. It was a [Los Angeles Police Detective with a flawless record.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7400720/) At the time, LAPD officer Stephanie Lazarus was a jilted lover of the woman’s new husband. She had, on several occasions, intimidated the woman at her home and at the hospital where she worked _while in police uniform_. Lazarus had staged the murder scene as a robbery gone wrong. The victims father had informed LAPD about Lazarus, asked them to investigate, but they never did anything about it. And I mean nothing. Did not even look into her at all. When the Cold Case squad found out it was Lazarus, she was actually working on the same floor, two doors down from them. 🤯 Lazarus was convicted in 2015 on the strength of DNA taken from the victims bite mark. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3902 "2023-12-27T09:28:49Z")
I’ve seen that one. She has crazy eyes. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3903 "2023-12-28T15:15:08Z")
> **[Who Investigates the Sheriff? In Mississippi, Often No One.](https://mississippitoday.org/2023/12/28/who-investigates-the-sheriff-in-mississippi-often-no-one/)** > > The state ignored or was unaware of allegations of jailhouse rape, brutal beatings and corrupt acts by sheriffs and their deputies. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3904 "2023-12-28T18:06:00Z")
Much like the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department > **[A Tradition of Violence: The History of Deputy Gangs in the Los Angeles...](https://knock-la.com/tradition-of-violence-lasd-gang-history/)** > > An extensive investigation into more than five decades of abuse, terror, and murder carried out by LASD deputy gangs. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3905 "2023-12-30T11:38:48Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Someone else called 911 and was shot by the police Following up on this story: > **[Police killed Niani Finlayson seconds after responding to her 911 call, video...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/29/la-police-fatally-shot-niani-finlayson-body-camera)** > > Body camera reveals Los Angeles deputy fired at woman who sought help for domestic violence as nine-year-old daughter watched The deputy ran into the house and basically immediately killed the woman. There is no possible chance he had any time to evaluate the situation and determine the source of the threat. This shit is infuriating. The deputy absolutely needs to be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3906 "2023-12-30T20:22:01Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The deputy absolutely needs to be prosecuted. I am certain that an intensive investigation by the Department will show that the shooting was … unfortunate…but legally justified and that the Deputy followed procedure. /bullshit ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3907 "2024-01-16T03:15:18Z")
> **[215 people have been buried behind a Mississippi jail since 2016, attorney says](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224449631/mississippi-jail-graves-investigation)** > > The issue became national news when families said they waited months for word about missing loved ones — only to learn their relative had been buried without notice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=194) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=196)