# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/22 "2020-06-26T21:13:07Z")
What is there to actually charge them with? Someone might try to stretch conspiracy to commit murder to cover it, but even if they were convicted it wouldn’t stand up to appeal. Firing them is about as good an outcome as we can hope for. Sure, they’re probably going to be rehired by another department, but any minority they arrest has an automatic challenge to their credibility and bias. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/23 "2020-06-26T22:06:25Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > The police going out to gas, beat, and pepper spray peaceful protestors in a frenzy of violence hasn’t helped their case either, obviously. There was a recent thread in GD [“Excited Delirium” - Real, or ‘Police killed this guy?’](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/excited-delirium-real-or-police-killed-this-guy/855110/35) when I first read that title I assumed it was an something cops cops suffered from when they go overboard beating someone. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/24 "2020-06-26T22:17:32Z")
Their cases are being reviewed. If it is uncovered that they abused their authority, planted evidence, or in any other way put someone in jail who did not legally deserve to be there, then I should hope that there would be something to charge them with. Unfortunately, you may be right in that those are not illegal activities for a cop. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/25 "2020-06-27T09:05:23Z")
In he UK those police staff would be suspended and investigated, very likely would be disciplined for a breach of professional standards - but if it was determined their behavior had brought the reputation of the police into disrepute they would be dismissed - I cannot understand why there is a race to use law when simple breaches of contract are enough to offload staff like this. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/26 "2020-06-27T16:26:21Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > In he UK those police staff would be suspended and investigated, very likely would be disciplined for a breach of professional standards - but if it was determined their behavior had brought the reputation of the police into disrepute they would be dismissed - I cannot understand why there is a race to use law when simple breaches of contract are enough to offload staff like this Powerful police unions. **Planet Money: Police Unions And Police Violence** [Do police unions lead to more police violence? : Planet Money : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/05/871298161/police-unions-and-police-violence) ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/27 "2020-06-27T19:11:21Z")
Seems to me that US police unions resemble the NRA far more than they do as representatives of workers. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/28 "2020-06-28T05:53:28Z")
Alabama cop fired after posting image of a protester in crosshairs with the caption “Exhale. Feel. Pause. Press steadily. That’s what’s next.” > **[Alabama officer fired over post of protester in rifle scope](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/alabama-officer-fired-over-post-of-protester-in-rifle-scope/)** > > HOOVER, Ala. (AP) — An Alabama police chief says one of his officers has been fired after posting a photo on social media that depicted a protester in the crosshairs of a rifle scope. Former Officer Ryan Snow was fired... ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/29 "2020-06-29T12:55:03Z")
This might seem somewhat minor in the scale of the stuff we’ve been talking about recently, but it shows the small ways that police can, and sometimes do, abuse their authority. [From Rossford, Ohio (near Toledo):](https://www.toledoblade.com/local/police-fire/2020/06/16/rossford-police-officer-accused-of-misusing-database-system-placed-on-leave/stories/20200616072) > [@](#): > > Emily Hackler, 21, said she was on her way home from the gym on Monday when she noticed a black truck following her from Crossroads Parkway as she took a right onto State Rt. 795. On Lime City Road the truck sped up to catch up to her, she said, though it eventually turned down a side street. > > A few hours later, she received a message on Facebook from Glenn Goss, Jr., a man she didn’t know, saying, “Had fun racing you on Crossroads and 795 earlier.” > > Ms. Hackler asked who he was, and Mr. Goss responded with a picture of himself in his police uniform, followed by comments about her appearance. He said he figured out who she was once he got to work by her “Plate #.” The cop was suspended and an investigation was begun. He then resigned from the department. After seeing the story, another woman came forward saying that she had previously been contacted by him over social media after he pulled her over for a traffic offense. You have to wonder how many other women he looked up in the police database. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/30 "2020-06-29T14:50:42Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This might seem somewhat minor in the scale of the stuff we’ve been talking about recently, but it shows the small ways that police can, and sometimes do, abuse their authority. Minor? > **[Murder of Cara Knott](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cara_Knott)** > > Cara Evelyn Knott (February 11, 1966 – December 27, 1986) was an American student at San Diego State University who disappeared on December 27, 1986, while driving from her boyfriend's home in Escondido, California, to her parents' house in El Cajon. The following day, December 28, her car was found on a dead-end road at the Mercy Road off-ramp from I-15 in San Diego County. Her body was recovered at the bottom of a 65-foot ravine nearby. > Her killer, Craig Alan Peyer (born March 16, 1950 to Ha... ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/31 "2020-06-29T14:52:37Z")
Well, minor precisely _because_ no-one was assaulted or killed. It was apparently just a jackass cop using his access to databases to hit on women. As bad as that is, it’s rather different from the story you’ve posted. Is that distinction clear to you, or would you like me to explain it in more detail? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/32 "2020-06-29T22:28:41Z")
Not sure what point you are trying to make here. Craig Allen Peyer murdered her and dropped her body off a bridge while he was on duty. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/33 "2020-06-30T19:43:39Z")
Dammit, I deleted that last post!!! 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/34 "2020-06-30T19:45:41Z")
[Oakland Police Officer Arrested For Allegedly Stalking A City Employee](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/oakland-police-officer-arrested-for-allegedly-stalking-a-city-employee/ar-BB169kXq) > Police said the incident stems from “a former relationship” while not identifying the officer or the alleged victim. No time frame was released as to when the harassment and threats began. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/35 "2020-06-30T20:04:40Z")
Okay, so they kill a kid for listening to music. That’s bad enough. Now they pepper spray people for playing violins as part of a vigil to their lost friend. [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/elijah-mcclain-colorado-police](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/elijah-mcclain-colorado-police) It’s almost like they aren’t interested in improving their relationship with the community. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/36 "2020-06-30T20:59:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s almost like they aren’t interested in improving their relationship with the community. Yeaaaaa. Almost eh? It’s almost like they are an armed gang, who beats on people who don’t RESPECT their power. Well, actually that’s what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/37 "2020-07-03T21:35:19Z")
# [Cop who stopped Elijah McClain fired over chokehold photos](https://apnews.com/c2fc871ca4bb3d20995ab2334331d10b) > [@](#): > > One of the three white officers who stopped Elijah McClain has been fired over photos showing colleagues reenacting the chokehold used before the Black man died last year, according to documents from prosecutors. > > After officers stopped McClain on the street last August for “being suspicious,” Aurora Officer Jason Rosenblatt tried to use a chokehold but couldn’t because of his position, so another officer did, a report from prosecutors said. > > Two months later, Rosenblatt received photos from three fellow officers who smiled as they mimicked a chokehold at the site where McClain was stopped, which had become a public memorial. He responded, “haha.” > > Rosenblatt and two officers who appeared in the photos were fired from the Aurora Police Department after an internal investigation, the chief announced Friday. The officer who reenacted the chokehold in the photos resigned this week. But wait! There’s more! > [@](#): > > Interim Police Chief Vanessa Wilson assailed the four officers involved with the photos, saying their explanation is that they were “trying to cheer up a friend by sending that photo.” 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/38 "2020-07-04T00:06:05Z")
Hopefully we’re seeing the start of some real change - BLM protests appear to be much larger than the 1960s protests and involve a lot more white people: [Black Lives Matter May Be the Largest Movement in U.S. History - The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html) ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/39 "2020-07-07T21:55:05Z")
Interesting article here: > **[What the police really believe](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/7/21293259/police-racism-violence-ideology-george-floyd)** > > Inside the distinctive, largely unknown ideology of American policing — and how it justifies racist violence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/40 "2020-07-08T02:16:50Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Interesting article here: > > [Police brutality, systemic racism, and a hidden ideology helped shape American policing - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/7/21293259/police-racism-violence-ideology-george-floyd) Great article - thanks! ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/41 "2020-07-08T21:11:33Z")
I found that Vox article very insightful. I know that in order to fix a problem, you need to first identify the problem and the causes, so it’s encouraging to see people really digging into this issue in this way. I hope we will soon begin to see good innovative ways to remedy some of these things. Meanwhile: This is the police response this journalist received to a story she did. > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=3)