# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 200
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3988 "2024-02-29T15:46:30Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > What limits? You’re in the pit. Discourse needs a minimum of five(?) characters so whenyou purge a regretful post nm doesn’t work any more. The text to place an emoji doesn’t count either, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3989 "2024-02-29T16:00:09Z")
Our horses and dogs are each trained to accept the other. When we trail ride the dogs are exercised along with the horses. I’ve never had a strange dog approach while I was riding. Plenty of deer, but no strange dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3990 "2024-02-29T16:25:45Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Two cops on horses are approched by a dog. The dog was attacking the horses. If your dog is going around trying to bite other animals, there’s a non zero chance that the dog will be hurt/killed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3991 "2024-02-29T16:36:17Z")
Thing about a dog is that horses do their best work kicking back, with their back feet. And to the side. They can kick and stomp with their front feet, but the dogs in these videos are fast-moving small targets that create enough panic that the horse does not have time to aim. And they look like little wolves. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3992 "2024-02-29T16:38:47Z")
The [Daily Mail has a followup story](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894607/Pictured-Horrific-injuries-suffered-veteran-police-horse-PH-Urbane.html) with lots of details about this attack, including photos of the horse’s injuries – legs and torso! – after treatment. The dog as of that story (March 2023) was in a police kennel, and the dog’s owner – surprise, surprise – accused the horse of causing his off-leash dog to attack. You’ll be pleased to hear that [in the following September](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/metropolitan-police-horse-dog-attack-video-hackney-park-urbane-b1110302.html) the idiot owner pleaded “guilty to being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control. He will be sentenced at the same court on a later date.” And how’s the horse doing? > Superintendent Kirby continued: “Urbane had to take several months off duty to recover from his injuries but thankfully he’s now fully recovered and back patrolling the streets of London. > > “He is generally very comfortable around dogs and we were particularly worried that this attack would affect the way he interacts with other animals. Happily, he’s just as relaxed with dogs as he’s always been. Clearly the horse has more sense than either the dog or its owner. No word in the story of what became of the dog. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3993 "2024-02-29T16:55:21Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > … the horse has more sense than … What kind? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3994 "2024-02-29T17:03:50Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > No word in the story of what became of the dog. I read that he found Jesus while in the police kennel. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3995 "2024-03-02T04:04:25Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Cop found guilty in death of Elijah McClain > **[Paramedic gets 5 years in prison for Elijah McClain’s death in rare case...](https://apnews.com/article/elijah-mcclain-paramedics-ketamine-social-justice-2583a1039ed5a6c3cd5adc986efbe1d2)** > > A Colorado paramedic was sentenced Friday to five years in prison for the death of Elijah McClain, a Black man whose name became part of the rallying cries for social justice that swept the U.S. in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3996 "2024-03-02T14:28:32Z")
In March of 2022, a 38-year-old mother of seven was a passenger in a taxi in KC. A car fleeing the cops crashed into the cab which resulted in her death. Her kids get $25,000 from the cab’s insurance company, but nothing from the law enforcement agency. (This is the only non-paywalled article I could find.) > **[After mom dies in KC police chase, kids get $3,571 each. How MO makes it hard...](https://www.aol.com/mom-dies-kc-police-chase-120000070.html)** > > Erika Miller was killed as an innocent bystander in a Kansas City police chase. Her kids will likely end up splitting $25,000 from the taxi company’s insurance and get nothing more. That’s $3,571 apiece. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3997 "2024-03-02T15:09:57Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > And they look like little wolves. They are little wolves. We humans often forget this, but the rest of the animal kingdom is all too aware. > [@Railer13](#): > > In March of 2022, a 38-year-old mother of seven was a passenger in a taxi in KC. A car fleeing the cops crashed into the cab which resulted in her death. Her kids get $25,000 from the cab’s insurance company, but nothing from the law enforcement agency. Hard to tell, without more context, how much blame falls on the cops, there, since it was the guy fleeing them, not the cops themselves, that crashed into the cab. Were they pursuing him in a reasonable way? Even if they weren’t, would he still have been driving as fast anyway? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3998 "2024-03-02T20:20:59Z")
> The reason for the chase: The other vehicle was suspected to have been stolen in a carjacking six days earlier. Not worth chasing someone over, not worth risking bystanders’ lives for. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3999 "2024-03-05T23:33:49Z")
> **[West Allis police officer charged, allegedly took money during search](https://www.fox6now.com/news/west-allis-police-officer-misconduct-charge)** > > Police said the 42-year-old has been placed on administrative leave. > Hartmann told the suspect that no money was found in his vehicle during the search > [snip] > but soon after retrieved the envelope of money from his squad car > During the investigation, police said detectives found other items of evidence from unrelated matters – including two wallets turned over by citizens – in Hartmann’s squad. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4000 "2024-03-14T19:57:07Z")
WaPo has [a story about](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/new-orleans-police-child-sexual-abuse-rodney-vicknair/) a New Orleans officer who took a teenage lass to have a rape kit done, then decided he too wanted some. I could only see the headline above the paywall. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4001 "2024-03-14T20:39:03Z")
Gift link: > **[A police officer took a teen for a rape kit. Then he assaulted her, too.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/new-orleans-police-child-sexual-abuse-rodney-vicknair/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzEwMzg4ODAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzExNzcxMTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MTAzODg4MDAsImp0aSI6IjczZjhkNzYwLWM2N2QtNGZmMC04NWYxLTQxZjMxY2U4MjdiMiIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9kYy1tZC12YS9pbnRlcmFjdGl2ZS8yMDI0L25ldy1vcmxlYW5zLXBvbGljZS1jaGlsZC1zZXh1YWwtYWJ1c2Utcm9kbmV5LXZpY2tuYWlyLyJ9.CfAaPQQm28A-LTU_fdVAm80vBYmJYGtUKVrB15VdL-4&itid=gfta)** > > New Orleans police officer Rodney Vicknair sexually abused a teen girl he met on the job. He is one of hundreds of officers arrested for child sexual abuse. Yup, it’s pretty awful. Bad cop, no donut. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4002 "2024-03-15T00:34:16Z")
The story also speaks to the many other cops who’ve abused children and teens. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4003 "2024-03-17T23:00:40Z")
Well, at least the police know how to handle fireworks: [![](https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/1740860151-0f50cf824b2576a92511e86e863f554b07ed06504afff77dc6e6ab3aa7765aec-d?f=webp "When The LAPD Blows Up Your Neighborhood") ](https://vimeo.com/875784142) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4004 "2024-03-17T23:16:08Z")
[CNN has a lengthy](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/04/us/naples-florida-deputy-missing-men/) article about a deputy in Florida who seems to be the last person who saw two separate men. He picked them up about three months apart, for driving without license/insurance and claims he “took them to the Circle K” and let them out there, instead of taking them to jail. No one has seen or heard from those two men in a couple decades.        There is some pretty strange stuff in that story. The deputy’s record of arresting people seems to abruptly end some while before these incidents. A cow-orker says that he had become disillusioned with the “revolving door” of arrest-and-release, and particularly irked by people driving illegally.        But, he knew his job. There are no bodies to point to. Basically no evidence, beyond some inconsistencies in his stories. It looks like there is nothing he can be charged with, so far.        And, naturally, the missing men, one was black, the other named Santos. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4005 "2024-03-19T18:09:45Z")
First sadistic racist asshole gets 20 years: **[First of 6 Mississippi ex-officers sentenced to 20 years for torturing 2 Black men: ‘I’m so sorry … I hate myself for it’](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/19/us/mississippi-black-men-police-torture-sentencing-tuesday/index.html)** Don’t worry, you’re not alone…we all hate you too. For Elward and his fellow goons, this was not a crime of passion or impulse: they spent two full hours inflicting horrifying tortures upon their victims, so it was an intentional and sustained effort. In a just world, I think we’d never see or hear from any of these awful, awful people again - but simultaneously, I’m intensely curious as to what they were feeling at the time, why they felt that there was anything at all that was good, right, just, fair, reasonable, or sensible about what they did. I mean goddam, it’s like Lord Of The Flies, except it was real and it involved adults instead of kids. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4006 "2024-03-19T21:46:30Z")
Summary of that 18-minute video, please? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4007 "2024-03-19T22:47:54Z")
So now, hopefully, some third party sifts through every excessive force complaint against those cops, that the department dismissed, and starts filing charges against them (the cops or the department). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=199) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=201)