# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 202
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4028 "2024-04-11T04:45:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What happened with that idea? We did that in Milwaukee. @pkbites is the guy to ask about that. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4029 "2024-04-11T21:19:39Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@Monty](#): > > > > What happened with that idea? > > We did that in Milwaukee. @pkbites is the guy to ask about that. Like a lot of other things it all depends on each agencies policies. Some departments have a pro-chase policy while others have a never chase or almost never chase. My current department had an almost never chase policy but then changed it to somewhat pro-chase policy when the occurrences of people taking off skyrocketed. The choice to chase is still with the individual officer. I never do unless there is no high speed involved (Yes, people do run without speeding. It’s weird). I just don’t see the percentage. During my first career as a Deputy Sheriff we didn’t screw around, we always chased and set up road blocks and rammed people right off the road. The 1980’s were the wild wild west. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4030 "2024-04-11T21:51:15Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [I would have expected Chicago police to emphasize fighting violent crime as Chicago has more murders than anywhere else in the country] I always think it’s more instructive to look at the murder rate per 100,000 population. This puts Chicago at #10 in the country. Still not good but… St. Louis, Baltimore and New Orleans are #1,2,3 on this list. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4031 "2024-04-11T22:54:35Z")
Has anyone examined various police departments for what I would call the “dog kill index”? That is, using the number of incidents in which residents’ dogs were killed by police as a benchmark for how readily police resort to violence? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4032 "2024-04-12T05:47:31Z")
> **[Police Chief Hailed As A Hero For Crashing Into A Car While Fleeing The Scene...](https://www.techdirt.com/2024/04/11/police-chief-hailed-as-a-hero-for-crashing-into-a-car-while-fleeing-the-scene-of-a-shooting/)** > > I’ve been watching this story since late last week. A lot of what I saw then showed this was going to end in embarrassment and exoneration for Albuquerque (NM) police chief Harold Medina. But… This story is nuts. The police chief is driving his police vehicle on his way to conduct police business. Two randos on the sidewalk draw on each other and start blasting. The chief floors it and flees, and while blowing through an intersection against the light he plows into another driver and seriously injures them. And all this gets spun around to somehow make the chief into a heroic figure? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4033 "2024-04-12T07:02:34Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/albuquerque-police-chief-recorded-saying-lets-appease-everyone-with-involved-crash-investigation/ar-BB1luggi](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/albuquerque-police-chief-recorded-saying-lets-appease-everyone-with-involved-crash-investigation/ar-BB1luggi) More on the above. This guy sounds like a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Chelonaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Chelonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chelonaut)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4034 "2024-04-12T08:39:07Z")
There was the “puppycide” project. The projects homepage only shows up a server error. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4035 "2024-04-12T15:59:56Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > This story is nuts. > > The police chief is driving his police vehicle on his way to conduct police business. Two randos on the sidewalk draw on each other and start blasting. The chief floors it and flees, and while blowing through an intersection against the light he plows into another driver and seriously injures them. And all this gets spun around to somehow make the chief into a heroic figure? Cue “Bravely Boldly Sir Robin”. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4036 "2024-04-12T16:06:55Z")
I’ve had this shirt for probably 10 years, I wear it regularly, but I think people have only noticed what it says a handful of times. > **[Sir Robin - $19.00 - Free shipping](https://shirt.woot.com/offers/sir-robin)** > > Sir Robin ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4037 "2024-04-12T19:46:58Z")
“Perhaps it will confuse him if we run away more!” ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4038 "2024-04-19T21:05:14Z")
> **[3 Northern California law enforcement officers charged in death of man held...](https://apnews.com/article/california-police-charged-mario-gonzalez-death-3dd7a9d1ada9311f0c75ac3a6f7ea09f)** > > Three Northern California law enforcement officers have been charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of a man who was pinned facedown during a 2021 incident that drew comparisons to the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4039 "2024-04-26T03:47:33Z")
> **[Fatal shooting of Ohio officer during training being investigated as...](https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2024/04/22/ohio-corrections-prison-officer-rodney-osborne-shooting-being-investigated-reckless-homicide-oshp/73389892007/)** > > Records reveal the shooting death of a prison lieutenant during a training session is being investigated by the patrol as a reckless homicide. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4040 "2024-04-26T18:05:09Z")
> The practice of giving sedatives to people detained by police has spread quietly across the nation over the last 15 years, built on questionable science and backed by police-aligned experts, [an investigation led by The Associated Press has found](https://apnews.com/projects/investigation-police-use-of-force/visual-story/). Based on thousands of pages of law enforcement and medical records and videos of dozens of incidents, the investigation shows how a strategy intended to reduce violence and save lives has resulted in some avoidable deaths. > > **At least 94 people died after they were given sedatives and restrained by police from 2012 through 2021** , according to findings by the AP in collaboration with FRONTLINE (PBS) and the Howard Centers for Investigative Journalism. That’s nearly 10% of the [more than 1,000 deaths identified during the investigation](https://apnews.com/article/associated-press-investigation-deaths-police-encounters-02881a2bd3fbeb1fc31af9208bb0e310) of people subdued by police in ways that are not supposed to be fatal. About half of the 94 who died were Black, including Jackson. > **[Dozens of deaths reveal risks of injecting sedatives into people restrained...](https://apnews.com/article/investigation-police-use-of-force-sedation-injections-demetrio-jackson-621909ba7491abc2af8ad2e33ba3415b)** > > An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that the practice of giving sedatives to people detained by police has spread quietly across the nation over the last 15 years, built on questionable science and backed by police-aligned experts. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4041 "2024-04-27T02:40:59Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Cop found guilty in death of Elijah McClain > **[Paramedic who injected Elijah McClain with ketamine before his death avoids...](https://apnews.com/article/elijah-mcclain-paramedics-police-trial-c2a7d4a0883588c4dc87993ebe6bb472)** > > A Colorado judge has sentenced a former paramedic to a jail work release program and probation in the death of Elijah McClain. The other paramedic got a more severe sentence. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4042 "2024-04-27T15:03:18Z")
Thanks to a mention from @Paul_was_in_Saudi in the Mass Killings thread: > **[Newberry students among 4 killed in Waldo crash ](https://www.mainstreetdailynews.com/news/newberry-students-among-4-killed-in-waldo-crash)** > > Multi-agency criminal investigation ongoing. > **[4 teenagers die in high-speed chase after trooper uses PIT maneuver](https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2024/04/27/4-teenagers-die-high-speed-chase-after-trooper-uses-pit-maneuver/)** > > Officials said all four of the teenagers were between the ages of 14 and 16 years old. A description of the technique > **[PIT maneuver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIT_maneuver)** > > The PIT maneuver (precision immobilization technique) or TVI (tactical vehicle intervention) is a law enforcement pursuit tactic in which a pursuing vehicle forces another vehicle to turn sideways abruptly, causing the driver to lose control and stop. It was developed by BSR Inc. and first used by the Fairfax County Police Department in Virginia, United States, in 1988. > The PIT originated in West Virginia during the late 1980s with a goal of halting fleeing vehicles as "tactical vehicle inter... Some Youtube videos: [https://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=PIT+maneuver](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=PIT+maneuver) But given that the SUV was stolen and that two of the teenagers in the SUV were wearing ankle monitors and three had active warrants, surely everyone will agree that four dead teenagers was a small price to pay? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4043 "2024-05-03T19:13:23Z")
Not sure where to put this. The Blue Wall of Silence appears to be alive and well in Chicago. > **[Top Cop Defends Investigation Into Officers for Ties to Proud Boys and Oath...](https://news.wttw.com/2024/05/03/top-cop-defends-investigation-officers-ties-proud-boys-and-oath-keepers-won-t-lead)** > > Supt. Larry Snelling vowed to publish the full investigatory report into the officers on the Chicago Police Department’s website. He also invited Inspector General Deborah Witzburg to examine the probe and “give us feedback.” > During the 2023 campaign for mayor, [Brandon] Johnson vowed to fire officers tied to far-right extremist groups. Johnson said Friday he stands by that promise but said officers can only be disciplined after an investigation that follows CPD rules. > > A 2016 probe by the U.S. Department of Justice found that Chicago police officers were rarely held accountable for misconduct because of badly broken systems as well as a “code of silence” among officers that allowed them to act with impunity. > > That investigation led to a federal court order, known as the consent decree, which requires the Chicago Police Department to change the way it trains, supervises and disciplines officers. > > Five years after the consent decree took effect, CPD has fully met just 6% of the court order’s requirements, according to the most recent report by the team monitoring the city’s compliance. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4044 "2024-05-06T11:49:21Z")
It isn’t an encounter with civilians, per se, but surely this will cause more problems in NYC’s prisons. I hope she fully recovers, though. > **[New York City suspends bodycams for corrections officers after device catches...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-city-suspends-bodycams-corrections-officers-device-catches-fi-rcna150774)** > > A captain at Rikers Island suffered burns and smoke inhalation when her device suddenly caught fire Friday. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4045 "2024-05-09T01:31:15Z")
> **[Florida deputies who fatally shot US airman burst into wrong apartment,...](https://apnews.com/article/police-shooting-airman-florida-8bcc82463ada69264389edf2a4f1a83d)** > > A civil rights attorney says deputies responding to a disturbance call at a Florida apartment complex burst into the wrong unit and fatally shot a Black U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4046 "2024-05-09T17:19:09Z")
Again, this article might not fit snugly into the idea of the thread, but I thought folks would like to read it: > **[Houston mayor says police chief is out amid probe into thousands of dropped...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/houston-mayor-says-police-chief-probe-thousands-dropped-cases-rcna151430)** > > Mayor John Whitmire said he did not push out former Police Chief Troy Finner but accepted his retirement as the police department needed to move forward under new leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4047 "2024-05-09T17:33:46Z")
> [@](#): > > He appointed assistant Chief Larry Satterwhite as acting chief. Excellent idea, because the Assistant Chief of Police clearly didn’t know anything about the 264,000 cases ignored by the department over the last 8 years. And there’s no reason to fire any of the officers that tagged 8,000 sexual assault cases to be ignored. They’re good apples, they just need a bit of re-training, like “you should maybe investigate crimes that happen”. That’s a fine point that anyone could lose sight of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=201) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=203)