# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 207
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4128 "2024-07-31T14:15:32Z")
Criminy. There’s no reason that person should have been employed by anyone for anything. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4129 "2024-08-02T03:07:15Z")
While no involvement by law enforcement, Roger Fortson’s younger brother (16 years old) was just killed: > **[Teen brother of Air Force airman who was killed by Florida deputy is fatally...](https://apnews.com/article/airman-killed-roger-fortson-brother-c14580458644a3f64a11064275e00905)** > > Authorities say the teenage brother of a U.S. Air Force airman who was fatally shot in his home by a Florida sheriff’s deputy in May was shot to death this week near Atlanta. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4130 "2024-08-06T13:19:25Z")
That poor family. Too many guns in the hands of idiots and criminals. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4131 "2024-08-09T21:36:23Z")
The sheriff responsible for hiring the deputy who killed Sonya Massey is resigning: **Embattled Illinois sheriff will retire amid criticism over the killing of Sonya Massey** [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/embattled-illinois-sheriff-will-retire-amid-criticism-over-the-killing-of-sonya-massey/ar-AA1oxzoO?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=4c3baf037ea64e1cde47adb8c1cd4e7c&ei=17](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/embattled-illinois-sheriff-will-retire-amid-criticism-over-the-killing-of-sonya-massey/ar-AA1oxzoO?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=4c3baf037ea64e1cde47adb8c1cd4e7c&ei=17) Good! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4132 "2024-08-13T12:36:04Z")
> **[Her 15-year-old son was arrested. Brookfield police won't give her the body...](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/investigations/public-investigator/2024/08/13/brookfield-police-refuse-to-release-juvenile-records-to-parents/73909802007/)** > > Brookfield Police Department is the only department of 10 surveyed by Public Investigator that bars the release of juvenile records to parents. > “Before you get too much into the lie that you’re telling right now, we have three people that watched you guys, specifically you on the bike, light the fire,” said Iverson. > > In addition, Iverson said the teen had fled from police, despite officers’ commands to stop\*\*.\*\* > > Before the teen could respond that he didn’t know the people shouting at him were police\*\*,\*\* the two officers handcuffed and drove him to the station. You’ll be shocked to find out that the police were lying. > The body camera footage reveals that none of the witnesses said they saw Islo’s son start the fire, as Iverson claimed, nor did officers identify themselves as law enforcement before commanding Islo’s son to stop — information the teen’s parents hoped to have before his court date. > Islo said if she had access to the footage of her son’s arrest, they would have pleaded not guilty. There’s body cam footage (though I haven’t watched it) at the link. Further down in the article, involving the release of body cam footage is this line: > The department is likely arguing that “may” does not mean “must,” Lueders said. For the kid’s sake, I hope they understand that when it comes to law “may” does not mean must. If they’re going to make that part of a lawsuit, they might not get far. A rule that says the police ‘may release footage to parents’ is different than ‘shall release footage to parents’. Regardless, how about the city awards the family treble/punitive damages (including the cop doing 3x the community service) and removes this from the kid’s record. And fire the cop for lying. You want to stop people from treating the cops like shit, start throwing out the bad apples. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4133 "2024-08-15T11:23:48Z")
[Six California police officers paid someone to take college courses for them](https://www.yahoo.com/news/6-california-police-officers-paid-100054072.html). > The officers hired someone to complete the courses online, unlocking raises and financial incentives they had not earned, prosecutors said. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4134 "2024-08-15T15:12:11Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > [Six California police officers paid someone to take college courses for them] That makes me wonder: since beating and/or killing people doesn’t necessarily get a police officer fired let alone criminally charged, just what offenses are considered heinous enough to warrant immediate termination and prosecution? In the above example they committed the unforgivable sin of fraudulently obtaining raises they weren’t qualified for. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4135 "2024-08-15T15:40:10Z")
Consider who the officers charged with fraud were. The article lists five names (one seems to be missing): - Morteza Amiri - Patrick Berhan - Amanda Theodosy a.k.a. Nash - Ernesto Mejia-Orozco - Brauli Rodriguez Jalapa There is something about those names … ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4136 "2024-08-15T15:45:37Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Consider who the officers charged with fraud were. The article lists five names (one seems to be missing): > > - Morteza Amiri > - Patrick Berhan > - Amanda Theodosy a.k.a. Nash > - Ernesto Mejia-Orozco > - Brauli Rodriguez Jalapa > > There is something about those names > and Samantha Peterson of the Antioch Police Department So half the names sound immigrant and half don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4137 "2024-08-15T15:47:15Z")
They care when officers commit a crime against the department. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4138 "2024-08-16T01:28:04Z")
> **[Alaska State Troopers beat, stunned and used dog in violent arrest of wrong...](https://apnews.com/article/police-dog-mistaken-identity-alaska-troopers-a293fe617ede423101eea0e8844e9375)** > > ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Two Alaska State Troopers who pepper-sprayed, beat, stunned and used a police dog on a man in a case of mistaken identity have been charged with assault, authorities said Thursday. and what the actual criminal did: > a man wanted for failing to serve a 10-day sentence for driving with a revoked license ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4139 "2024-08-16T01:34:06Z")
Strip them naked, smear them with honey and salmon guts and make them walk from Soldotna to Kenai. In June. What the mosquitoes don’t eat, the bears will. Assholes like that need to pay. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4140 "2024-08-16T17:09:32Z")
Couldn’t find the exact image I had in mind but these get the idea across: [![](https://i.imgflip.com/44fxlk.jpg) ](https://i.imgflip.com/44fxlk.jpg) [![](https://i.imgflip.com/4b40g0.jpg) ](https://i.imgflip.com/4b40g0.jpg) [![](https://i.imgflip.com/4fg91o.jpg) ](https://i.imgflip.com/4fg91o.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4141 "2024-08-16T23:47:38Z")
> **[Tennessee family's lawsuit says video long kept from them shows police force,...](https://apnews.com/article/lethal-restraint-police-tennessee-austin-hunter-turner-ca8b91c2f3dc9584094c6fc835d49deb)** > > A Tennessee mother whose son was having a seizure in his apartment says in a new lawsuit that police and paramedics subjected him to “inhumane acts of violence.” ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4142 "2024-08-23T19:31:06Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Florida deputy who fatally shot Airman Roger Fortson fired | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/airman-shot-florida-deputy-roger-fortson-c616444086b39d20a80f35ba86ec531b) > **[Prosecutor says ex-sheriff's deputy charged with manslaughter in shooting of...](https://apnews.com/article/police-deputy-shooting-airman-fortson-f6a2d835376040c84298e12ca8b17f69)** > > A Florida Panhandle sheriff’s deputy is facing a charge of manslaughter with a firearm in the fatal shooting of an airman who opened his apartment door while holding a gun. Good! ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4143 "2024-08-25T19:18:11Z")
> **[Alaska officer kills 16-year-old girl in sixth local police shooting since May](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/14/alaska-police-fatally-shoot-16-year-old-girl)** > > Easter Leafa, who had been holding knife, had moved to Anchorage seeking a better life and opportunities in school > **[Surveillance video captures deadly police shooting of Anchorage teen](https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2024/08/23/surveillance-video-captures-deadly-police-shooting-anchorage-teen/)** > > Alaska's News Source was given home surveillance video that faced the balcony of an apartment where a 16-year-old girl was shot and killed by Anchorage police. This story provides a timeline comparison of the video versus APD statements and news... Her family (from American Samoa) had called the police because the girl had threatened other family members with a knife. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4144 "2024-08-28T00:20:13Z")
> **[Albuquerque's Police Chief Says Cops Have a 5th Amendment Right To Leave...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/albuquerques-police-chief-says-cops-181046009.html)** > > Harold Medina made that argument during an internal investigation of a car crash he caused last February. > Even more troubling, Medina said he “purposefully did not record because he was invoking his 5th Amendment right not to self-incriminate.” Since “he was involved in a traffic collision,” he reasoned, he was “subject to 5th Amendment protections.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4145 "2024-08-28T00:48:29Z")
Pretty sure that courts (up to and including SCOTUS [for what it’s worth these days]) have ruled that to successfully assert one’s rights under the Fifth, one has to explicitly say that they’re doing so. I welcome education/correction. ETA: Next time I’m in a traffic accident, I’ll try to obtain and destroy all footage from any surveillance cameras in the area. See how that goes. Related: if I have a dash cam that I’ve installed, am I okay to delete the footage on it if it shows me culpable? What if my employer installed it? ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4146 "2024-08-28T11:21:31Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > ETA: Next time I’m in a traffic accident, I’ll try to obtain and destroy all footage from any surveillance cameras in the area. See how that goes. > > Related: if I have a dash cam that I’ve installed, am I okay to delete the footage on it if it shows me culpable? What if my employer installed it? Now you’re talking about destruction of evidence, which is a whole separate issue and will definitely get you into trouble if it can be shown (or if you admit to police) that you’re the one responsible for the destruction of said evidence. That’s completely different from not creating the evidence in the first place. > **[Tampering with evidence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence)** > > Tampering with evidence, or evidence tampering, is an act in which a person alters, conceals, falsifies, or destroys evidence with the intent to interfere with an investigation (usually) by a law-enforcement, governmental, or regulatory authority. It is a criminal offense in many jurisdictions. > Tampering with evidence is closely related to the legal issue of spoliation of evidence, which is usually the civil law or due process version of the same concept (but may itself be a crime). Tampering ... ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4147 "2024-08-28T11:35:23Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > he was invoking his 5th Amendment right not to self-incriminate He’s allowed to do that. What he shouldn’t be allowed to do is invoke his 5th Amendment rights while doing his job and then keep that job. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=206) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=208)