# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 213
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4248 "2025-04-11T14:50:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Is there any reason to believe she shot at the police? From the article “Our investigation revealed evidence such as a shell casing and video footage showing she repeatedly ignored police commands to disarm and that she fired her weapon at LAPD officers,” Forkish said. I mean, they certainly could be lying. I wouldn’t put it past them. However, these are exceptionally specific claims about evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4249 "2025-04-11T14:54:24Z")
So, it is just a case of guns making everything safer. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4250 "2025-04-11T15:16:35Z")
The claims of the police hold precisely zero weight in cases like this. If there’s no evidence that doesn’t start with “the police say…”, then there’s no evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4251 "2025-04-11T19:10:06Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Pointing a firearm at the fucking POLICE tends to get a reaction. That’s what they said about Tamir Rice. Let’s see the body cam footage - if their cameras weren’t all “accidentally” turned off or malfunctioning, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4252 "2025-04-12T03:12:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If there’s no evidence that doesn’t start with “the police say…”, then there’s no evidence. Indeed, the cops are now saying they’re not sure if she fired her gun at all, and prosecutors have no comment on whether she’ll be charged with a crime. Quelle surprise! > **[Weezer bassist’s wife Jillian Shriner posted bond and released from custody,...](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/entertainment/weezer-jillian-shriner-posted-bond-cancer/index.html)** > > The wife of Weezer bassist Scott Shriner, Jillian Shriner, is no longer in police custody after an officer-involved shooting with Los Angeles police that took place Tuesday. > [@](#): > > Jillian Shriner was released after posting $1 million bond, according to a report by the Associated Press. While police said earlier in the week that she was booked on suspicion of attempted murder, there was no decision on potential charges against her by prosecutors as of Thursday. > > At a news conference Wednesday, the AP reported that LAPD Det. Meghan Aguilar said police were unable to determine from evidence, including police body cameras, whether Shriner fired the gun. If she weren’t white and rich, in all likelihood she’d be dead. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4253 "2025-04-13T06:31:35Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > The shooting Saturday in Pocatello outraged the boy’s family and neighbors as well as viewers online who questioned why the officers opened fire within about 12 seconds of exiting their patrol cars while making no apparent effort to de-escalate the situation or use less lethal weapons. Sad news: > **[Intellectually disabled teen shot by Idaho police dies after being removed...](https://apnews.com/article/idaho-shooting-teen-police-autism-c782c70c8738fca0a3cc032941a6f2ce)** > > Relatives say an autistic and nonverbal teenage boy who was shot by Idaho police from the other side of a chain-link fence while holding a knife has died. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4254 "2025-04-17T12:25:30Z")
> [@](#): > > # ICE Agents Smash Guatemalan Immigrant’s Car Window As He Calmly Waits For Lawyer > > A spokesperson for ICE endorsed the violent force used to detain a married father in Massachusetts. > > A married immigrant couple followed their attorney’s instructions to wait for her arrival when they were stopped near their Massachusetts home by federal immigration officers Monday. > > Juan Francisco-Mendez and Marilu Domingo-Ortiz remained calm and composed as they kept the windows rolled up, with Francisco-Mendez holding his hands in his lap. Domingo-Ortiz grabbed her phone to film the encounter. > > The couple indicated they wanted the attorney, Odine Galvez-Sniffin, to be there before they complied with instructions, the attorney told HuffPost. > > The officers, however, became increasingly restless. At one point, the video shows one of them tell the couple they can do things the “easy” way or the “hard” way. > > Moments later, Domingo-Ortiz captured another of the agents violently smashing the passenger-side rear window of the car with a sledgehammer in order to gain access to the lock, the couple’s stillness contrasting with the agents’ frenzied movements. > > The pair were then pulled from the vehicle so Francisco-Mendez could be detained, said Galvez-Sniffin, who represents both individuals. By the time she arrived — within about 30 minutes — Francisco-Mendez was being driven away in a government vehicle. > > “Ayúdame!” he shouted, meaning “help me” in Spanish. > > … > > A spokesperson for Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed the arrest and endorsed the amount of force used. > > “Juan Francisco-Mendez, 29, is an illegally present Guatemalan alien who was detained by ICE Boston in New Bedford, Massachusetts, April 14. During the course of his arrest, he refused to comply with officers’ instructions and resisted apprehension,” the spokesperson said. > > “ICE concurs with the actions deemed appropriate by the officers on the scene who are trained to use the minimum amount of force necessary to resolve the situation in a manner that ensures the success of the operation and prioritizes the safety of our officers,” they said. But it gets even better – they might not even have been looking for the guy they arrested: > [@](#): > > Galvez-Sniffin told HuffPost that the officers initially asked Francisco-Mendez if he knew someone called Antonio who lived in the same apartment building, and her client said he did not know anyone by that name. When Galvez-Sniffin arrived on the scene, she approached a federal agent and tried without success to explain that they had arrested the wrong person. > > ICE declined to respond to a question about whether the agents could have mistaken Francisco-Mendez for someone else. > > … > > He is being held at a correctional facility in Dover, New Hampshire, with a hearing scheduled in May. Galvez-Sniffin said she was able to speak with him Wednesday. > > The couple’s child was in school at the time of the standoff. > **[ICE Agents Smash Guatemalan Immigrant's Car Window As He Calmly Waits For Lawyer](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-agents-smash-guatemalan-immigrants-car-window-as-he-waits-for-lawyer_n_67ffca09e4b0b55f47db2669)** > > A spokesperson for ICE endorsed the violent force used to detain a married father in Massachusetts. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4255 "2025-04-21T10:30:41Z")
# High-frequency location data show that race affects citations and fines for speeding > Aggarwal _et al_ . examined rideshare data from Lyft in the state of Florida to compare minority drivers with their white counterparts. Lyft objectively measured drivers’ locations, driving speed, and location speed limits[…]. White and minority drivers showed no discernible differences in speeding behaviors or traffic violations. However, when both drove at identical speeds, police were still 33% more likely to issue speeding citations to minority drivers and charged 34% more expensive fines, unequivocally revealing bias. [https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adp5357](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adp5357) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4256 "2025-04-21T11:29:45Z")
This is the same for drug use, where white teens and Black teens use drugs at about the same rate, but Black teens are arrested and charged at a much higher rate. Nice to see some great data on it, though, using Lyft tracking. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4257 "2025-04-21T12:00:59Z")
That looks like the same study I posted in **[4222](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4222).** Good to see it’s continuing to get attention, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4258 "2025-04-23T19:29:09Z")
I debated for a while where to put this, because it involves LEO AND unmarked “security” acting like assholes because some Republican didn’t like someone was doing: > **[Woman Dragged From Republican Town Hall Seeks $5 Million in Damages](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/teresa-borrenpohl-idaho-woman-town-hall-5-million-lawsuit-1235322366/)** > > Charges filed against the men who dragged Teresa Borrenpohl from an Idaho town hall. Basically, a woman was speaking out (and out-of-turn) at a Republican town hall, so the local Sheriff had her physically hauled out by a team of unmarked security armed goons. Now the goons have been charged with battery, and she’s getting ready to sue the shit out of them and the sheriff. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4259 "2025-04-26T12:21:48Z")
Someone I know (very slightly) is sitting in jail on attempted kidnapping charges for what seems like nothing more than preventing a kid from falling off a mobility scooter. > **[Acworth Walmart kidnapping attempt: Video may prove man's innocence](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/acworth-walmart-kidnapping-attempt-video-may-proves-mans-innocence.amp)** > > A Cobb County man is in jail on charges of attempted kidnapping. His attorney says surveillance video shows he never tried to take the child, but was instead trying to help the mother. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4260 "2025-04-26T13:10:06Z")
A Brown man spoke to a white woman in Georgia. What did you /think/ was going to happen? ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4261 "2025-04-26T15:12:02Z")
The article doesn’t seem to indicate whether the police spoke to the mother, who surely would be able to tell them if Patel had tried to kidnap her son. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4262 "2025-04-26T15:25:54Z")
There is an [earlier story](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/acworth-attempted-abduction-family-toddler-speaks-out-about-walmart-incident) from that source that quotes the woman’s fiancee but not her. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4263 "2025-04-26T15:57:13Z")
Here is a YouTube video from a source that I regard as quite non-sensationalist. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NHocxI6HpM8/maxresdefault.jpg "Walmart Shopper 'Enjoying Scooter' Accuses Man of Trying to Kidnap Son | Mahendra Patel Analysis") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHocxI6HpM8) From the publicly available evidence it seems pretty conclusive that this is a fit-up after the cops responded to a wildly imaginative complaint. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4264 "2025-04-26T15:57:46Z")
Joe the President established NLEAD, the Police Accountability Database. Naturally, since that guy did it, the acronym has “lead” in it, and there is that nasty “accountability” word in there, Felon-ONE has [taken it down](https://wordinblack.com/2025/04/healing-requires-transparency-why-students-need-police-accountability/). ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4265 "2025-04-26T16:03:06Z")
Ironic coincidence: the accused’s name is Patel, same as the wrongly accused man [from Lakeland Florida in 2017](https://patch.com/florida/lakeland/man-who-helped-lost-girl-says-life-tarnished-facebook-shaming) who found a lost girl, was taking her back to the nearby playground; was jumped, beaten and, after police rescued and cleared him, was smeared on FB by the parents. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4266 "2025-04-30T20:35:22Z")
Not a civilian, instead a cop killed by “friendly fire”. After he learns that the woman he was living with died at hospital man takes hostage. While the man has a gun, **it has no bullets in it.** Police open fire and kill the hostage taker–as well as one of the cops. > **[Friendly fire killed Police Officer Andrew Duarte during UPMC Memorial...](https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/local/2025/04/30/friendly-fire-killed-police-officer-andrew-duarte-during-upmc-memorial-hostage-crisis-da/83368597007/)** > > York County DA Tim Barker held a press conference Wednesday to release the results of an investigation into February's UPMC Memorial Hospital hostage crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4267 "2025-05-07T09:55:40Z")
In 2016, the Montgomery County Sheriff’s office (in Dayton, Ohio) [came very close to murdering Charles Wade](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOsYOXpg0l4&t=172s), an inmate who was restrained in a restraining chair. They did something that should never be done: they leaned him _ **way** _ forward before trying to uncuff him. This is very dangerous, because it can cause asphyxiation in a matter of seconds. As expected, no one was fired, no one was retrained. They must have thought that was fun sport, because they did it _ **again** _ a couple months ago, to an inmate named Christian Black. But this time they were “successful” from their point-of-view - Christian Black died. I can only assume they were high-fiving each other afterwards. [The video footage is horrific](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1VG30OrO8) (warning - disturbing). The red countdown timer shows the elapse time of no oxygen to the brain. (The video breaks away for a couple minutes to review what happened to Charles Wade in 2016, and then returns to show the… [inevitable outcome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1VG30OrO8&t=576s) of Mr. Black.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=212) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=214)