# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2026, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4328 "2026-02-06T18:07:13Z")
From their official statement > _During Henderson’s arrest, a dog from one of the apartments got loose and tried repeatedly and aggressively to attack the working K9._ > _While the appearance of the incident is unfortunate, the deputy marshal’s action was not done with malice. It was a last-resort, split-second action taken by a law enforcement officer to control the environment and mitigate a dangerous situation. An uncontrolled, aggressive animal can hinder official duties and threaten safety._ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2026, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4329 "2026-02-06T20:48:19Z")
> [@](#): > > During Henderson’s arrest, a dog from one of the apartments got loose and tried repeatedly and aggressively to attack the working K9. Repeatedly??? Is there nothing small enough that they will not lie about? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2026, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4330 "2026-02-07T03:26:54Z")
The entire legend of Ma Barker was made up to cover the gunning down of a harmless and innocent woman in an FBI raid. ---
**Author:** ![billy-jack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@billy-jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billy-jack)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2026, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4331 "2026-02-07T04:35:39Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > he entire legend of Ma Barker was made up to cover the gunning down of a harmless and innocent woman in an FBI raid. A grand uncle of mine was in the FBI at the time and was involved in the Ma Barker raid. He passed away in the 1950s when I was about 2 or 3 so I was never in position to ask him questions. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4332 "2026-02-10T19:36:28Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The entire legend of Ma Barker… Is that the dog’s name? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4333 "2026-02-10T21:28:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Lumpy](#): > > > > The entire legend of Ma Barker… > > Is that the dog’s name?. Obviously not, it’s the name of the dog’s mom. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2026, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4334 "2026-02-14T16:01:39Z")
That son of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2026, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4335 "2026-03-04T12:53:58Z")
I’m going to put this here, though I won’t be surprised if, at some point, we have an omnibus thread for Flock Camera incidents. > **[MPD officer charged with misconduct over Flock searches due in court](https://www.fox6now.com/news/mpd-officer-charged-misconduct-over-flock-searches-due-court)** > > Josue Ayala, a Milwaukee police officer charged with attempted misconduct in public office, is due in court on Wednesday, March 4. > Investigators say Ayala searched one victim’s license plate 55 times and a second victim’s plate 124 times while on duty. Each search was reportedly listed as “investigation.” > > The complaint states the two victims were previously in a relationship and that Ayala began dating one of them after the relationship ended. Detectives allege Ayala used the Flock system to check their locations for personal reasons, violating department policy that limits the system to bona fide law enforcement purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2026, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4336 "2026-03-04T20:24:53Z")
Various communities in the SF Bay area, although not SF itself, are embroiled in controversy about the expanding use of Flock cameras in those cities. The law and order crowd (i.e. those with the most to risk from theft) are in favor. Most of the opposition seems to be about Big Government knowing everyone’s whereabouts all the time, which seems reasonable in the age of ICE. But the lack of data security seems like a more immediate risk. Not just misuse by those with legitimate access, but also hacking by outsiders. I wonder if a major hacking incident would cool off the ardor to keep installing more of this technology. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4337 "2026-03-28T01:39:19Z")
> A white [Connecticut](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/connecticut) police officer who fatally shot a Black man 30 seconds after arriving at the scene, where three fellow officers had spent several minutes trying to de-escalate the situation, was fired Friday… > > Jones’ sister, Audrey Jones, **had called 911 seeking help for her brother** because he was having a mental health crisis, reporting that he had a knife and had cut himself. > **[Connecticut officer fired after shooting man in mental health crisis as...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/27/officer-fired-fatally-shooting-man-mental-health-crisis)** > > Mayor of Hartford has fired a white police officer who fatally shot a Black man in a mental health crisis nine times ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4338 "2026-03-28T11:56:19Z")
As an old white guy raised on _Adam-12_, _The FBI_, _SWAT_, _Hill Street Blues_, and other shows to believe that the police were a force for good, my instinct is still to believe they still mostly are. Then shit like this happens, and I understand my youngest son’s firm belief in ACAB. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4339 "2026-03-28T17:54:11Z")
Perhaps I’m late to the party but I only yesterday learned that in many states convicts are now being billed for their prison time, and not just in for-profit penitentiaries either. This is utterly insane and unjust. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4340 "2026-03-29T17:08:44Z")
This is from a few years ago but I just ran across it on imgur. Cop sees a man with a cell phone and attempts to murder him. He missed the guy and hit a passing minivan. Interestingly, the chief suspended him and is ‘pleased’ with the indictment. > **[Bowie police officer indicted on attempted murder charges for allegedly...](https://www.wmar2news.com/local/bowie-police-officer-indicted-on-attempted-murder-charges-for-allegedly-shooting-at-unarmed-man)** > > A police officer in Bowie faces attempted murder charges for allegedly shooting at an unarmed man back in September. [Link to short video of the incident.](https://i.imgur.com/UgSnOqN.mp4) Whoever wrote this [article](https://www.policedefense.org/sergeant-robert-warrington-bowie-md-police-department/) feels the prosecutor is being a big meanie for charging him with a crime. > What is most outrageous in this case is the elected prosecutor’s decision to charge Warrington with Attempted Murder, a very serious criminal charge requiring evidence of specific intent to kill, which is very obviously not present. The charge was brought ONLY because Sergeant Warrington is a law enforcement officer and the prosecutor wants to appear to be tough on police. > > The prosecutor is Aisha Braveboy. Ms. Braveboy has been associated with George Soros funded organizations promoting “progressive prosecution.” At the time charges were brought against Warrington, Ms. Braveboy was campaigning (successfully) for County Executive. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4341 "2026-03-29T19:02:05Z")
Nothing like a (cowardly) unattributed article. Certainly got his/her bingo card started with “George Soros”. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4342 "2026-03-29T19:30:21Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Perhaps I’m late to the party but I only yesterday learned that in many states convicts are now being billed for their prison time, and not just in for-profit penitentiaries either. This is utterly insane and unjust. I’m all for it, but only for wealthy prisoners. As in, a sliding scale based on the prisoner’s income/assets, etc. Your friendly neighborhood insurance agent who runs a white-collar scam of some kind, maybe charge him (spitballing here) $60k per year of incarceration, _pro rata_ down to the month/day. An insanely wealth billionaire who trafficked underage girls for sex, maybe charge him $100 million per year of incarceration. Similarly, I support what some Northern European countries do with regard to speeding tickets: base the fine on income. That would compel police to focus on speeders in hella nice cars, because the state will extract more money from them in fines, which will trickle down to their department. Long story short: It’s time for the law enforcement and justice apparatus in this country to no longer be funded on the backs of the poor. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4343 "2026-03-29T23:27:39Z")
Aw, c’mon, if he had specific intent to kill, why would he have pulled the trigger? There’s plenty of precedent in this country that conclusively demonstrates that having a gun means you can’t be held guilty for murder. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2026, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4344 "2026-03-30T00:11:47Z")
I think the problem was that he forgot to yell ‘he’s coming right for us’ before firing. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2026, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4345 "2026-03-30T02:25:43Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I think the problem was that he forgot to yell ‘he’s coming right for us’ before firing The correct loophole is the officer thought the perp had a gun [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-NzEPICsEug/maxresdefault.jpg "He’s Got a Gun - Key & Peele") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzEPICsEug) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4346 "2026-04-14T01:18:58Z")
> The video shows the officer armed with a gun yelling at the teen to get on the ground as he raises the firearm. The officer can be heard telling the teen to drop a gun. The teen keeps running, and then the officer fires. > > One of the four bullets struck the teen in the back of the head, killing him, the suit says. In the teen’s pocket was a firearm, but it was disassembled, in multiple pieces, and incapable of being fired, the suit says. > **[Bodycam video contradicts St. Louis police's earlier account in fatal...](https://apnews.com/article/bodycam-video-st-louis-teen-police-shooting-38fc0e42f9a0800d80ac565bdb6c7589)** > > Body camera video released Monday shows a St. Louis police officer shoot a 17-year-old in the back of the head as he fled, contradicting an earlier police statement that the teen pointed a gun at officers. > **[St. Louis police body cam video shows 2024 shooting of 17-year-old Emeshyon...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-Rtr6hbNk%2F)** > > Read the full story: https://www.stlmag.com/news/emeshyon-wilkins-police-shooting-video/A lawyer for the family of Emeshyon Wilkins released the video, along... ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2026, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/4347 "2026-04-22T14:00:48Z")
Presently there are more questions than answers, and the fallout is still … falling out. But it appears that the Chief of Police and one of her officers in Gratis, Ohio, for reasons perhaps known only to the Chief, showed up at each of three Cincinnati schools, well over an hour away from Gratis, to conduct “[wellness checks](https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/gratis-spokesperson-officer-who-went-to-cincinnati-schools-alongside-chief-submits-resignation/article_2aa9ed09-2095-441e-aed5-722432dc5fe8.html)” on Latino students who had supposedly come into the country unaccompanied, on behalf of ICE. The staff at the three schools, which have a high number of immigrant and English-learning students, all obeyed the law as well as District policy and told the cops to go fuck themselves, and they returned to Gratis having made no contact with any of the children. WTF, asked the people and the Mayor of Gratis. When did ICE contract with the city of Gratis to have Gratis cops conduct … whatever it is they did … at Cincinnati schools? Or did the police chief make a deal on her own? Or did she just have a hair up her butt to impersonate ICE and go round her up some Illegals? So far, the Chief has clammed up, the subordinate has stated that he was “just following [the Chief’s] orders” and has turned in his resignation, and ICE has given a non-answer that “the visits to Cincinnati Public Schools were not an ‘enforcement action’ and said [the Chief] is a law enforcement partner who ‘attempted to verify school enrollment and conduct welfare checks on children who arrived unaccompanied across the border.’” Meanwhile, the career of the Chief, who has moved from post to post to post over the decades, oft with stains on her record, appears to be in jeopardy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=218)