# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/562 "2020-10-06T14:28:11Z")
His narrative seems true from the videos I have found and watched. Assholes wearing cop uniforms and right-wing getups. Pulling a gun is a-ok as long as you are white (well, they did take the gun but let him go). Black woman…take her down! OPB article with pics and vids here: > **[Protesters see disparities after Bend police release man who pointed gun at...](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/04/violence-erupts-at-bend-demonstrations/)** > > Bend police did not arrest a man who is shown pointing a gun in video reviewed by OPB, after participants in a pro-Trump rally clashed with people gathered for a picnic in support of racial justice. This country is a freaking mess. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/563 "2020-10-06T16:09:33Z")
Wolfe City, Texas: > **[Texas officer charged with murder in fatal store shooting](https://apnews.com/article/police-us-news-ap-top-news-mlb-baseball-8ed6618a63822f470eece334ea48e90e)** > > A white police officer has been charged with murder in the fatal shooting of a Black man following a reported disturbance at a convenience store in a small East Texas town, authorities said. > [@](#): > > Police didn’t release details about the disturbance, but family and friends of Price said Monday that the one-time college football player was intervening in a domestic disturbance when he was shot. > > “When police arrived, I’m told, he raised his hands and attempted to explain what was going on,” said civil rights attorney Lee Merritt in a Facebook posting. “Police fired Tasers at him and when his body convulsed from the electrical current, they ‘perceived a threat’ and shot him to death.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/564 "2020-10-06T19:53:18Z")
Oklkahoma City prison guards charged with cruelty after forcing inmates to listen to Baby Shark on a loop at loud volume. [https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/okc-jailers-face-cruelty-charge-playing-baby-shark-on-loop-is-inhuman-prosecutor-says](https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/okc-jailers-face-cruelty-charge-playing-baby-shark-on-loop-is-inhuman-prosecutor-says) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/565 "2020-10-07T18:30:53Z")
Here’s a reassuring detail about police use of weapons from the grand jury proceedings in the Breonna Taylor case. > [@](#): > > Myles Cosgrove, a Louisville, Kentucky, detective who participated in the fruitless and [legally dubious](https://reason.com/2020/06/21/was-the-search-warrant-for-the-drug-raid-that-killed-breonna-taylor-illegal/) drug raid that killed Breonna Taylor last March, told investigators the incident unfolded so quickly that he was not consciously aware of using his gun. That detail, which emerged from [audio recordings](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/us/breonna-taylor-grand-jury-audio-recording.html) of grand jury proceedings that were released on Friday, is alarming in light of the fact that Cosgrove fired 16 rounds—including the [fatal bullet](https://reason.com/2020/09/24/the-legal-response-to-breonna-taylors-death-shows-how-drug-prohibition-transforms-murder-into-self-defense/), according to the FBI’s ballistic analysis. > > “I just sensed that I’ve fired,” Cosgrove said in an interview that was played for the grand jurors. “It’s like a surreal thing. If you told me I didn’t do something at that time, I’d believe you. If you told me I did do something, I’d probably believe you, too.” That certainly gives me confidence! > **[Cop Who Fired 16 Rounds at Breonna Taylor Said He Only Surmised That He Had...](https://reason.com/2020/10/05/cop-who-fired-16-round-at-breonna-taylor-said-he-only-surmised-that-he-had-used-his-gun/)** > > Drug warriors gratuitously created the chaotic situation that state prosecutors say justified the use of deadly force. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/566 "2020-10-07T18:41:32Z")
This is a well-known effect of extreme stress. It should not be taken as an indication that the officer was irrational at the time. Memory is weird. > **[Here’s why you might ‘black out’ when you’re anxious - National | Globalnews.ca](https://globalnews.ca/news/5407023/memory-loss-stress-anxiety-blackout/)** > > Stressful situations, like job interviews and first dates, can interfere your brain's memory-making process. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/567 "2020-10-07T23:00:33Z")
Just an update. [Officer charged with fatally kneeling on George Floyd’s neck posts bond on $1 million bail](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/07/us/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-bail/index.html) > Derek Chauvin, the ex-Minneapolis police officer facing murder charges in George Floyd’s death, posted bond on $1 million bail Wednesday, court records indicate. > > “I can confirm he is no longer in our custody,” said Sarah Fitzgerald, spokeswoman for the Minnesota Department of Corrections. > > Chauvin was released from Oak Park Heights Correctional Facility, east of Minneapolis, just after 11 a.m., the Hennepin County Jail roster indicates. His release was conditional, according to records, though the specifics were not immediately available. > > His next court date is set for March 8, according to a notice of appearance. > > It’s not clear who paid the bail bond company, or how much. March 8? That seems a bit out there even with COVID. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/568 "2020-10-08T00:45:09Z")
It does. He shouldn’t get that much freedom the rest of his life. I went and watched the closing arguments of a murder trial once, held three blocks from my house down in Missouri. The prosecutor made a persuasive case, so it was kind of creepy to then go out on the courthouse steps and see the defendant just hanging out there smoking a cig, two feet away from my wife and me as we walked by. Later that night, we saw on the news that he was convicted and sentenced to life. Anyway, can you imagine passing Chauvin in aisle G-7 at Home Depot? I suppose he’ll stay holed up for his own safety. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/569 "2020-10-08T11:46:30Z")
Here’s an ugly story. > **[Former Aurora cop admits to ignoring Black woman's cries for help after she...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aurora-police-officer-ignored-black-woman-back-of-patrol-car/)** > > Former officer Levi Huffine admitted to ignoring the woman's pleas for help during the nearly 21 minutes she was on the floor, saying his experience is good enough to know if someone is "faking" their inability to breathe. This is just so disturbing. Major reform is badly needed. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/570 "2020-10-08T12:57:54Z")
There is something seriously wrong with police culture in this society. They behave like an invading and occupying military force, or like open-air Alcatraz prison guards. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/571 "2020-10-08T16:09:55Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > This is a well-known effect of extreme stress. It should not be taken as an indication that the officer was irrational at the time. Memory is weird. I understand that. But maybe, then, police shouldn’t be so quick to justify their policies and their strategies by arguing that they are trained professionals who can remain calm in a crisis. Maybe, then, police should not be so quick to shoot or bludgeon civilians who might make suboptimal decisions in moments of high stress. Maybe, then, police shouldn’t be surprised when we sometimes question their accounts of shootings and other situations where extreme stress might play a role. It seems that too many cops want the benefit of the doubt in all possible circumstances, and don’t give any of that benefit to the people they come into contact with. “I don’t remember firing my gun, but I clearly recall, in precise and perfect detail, every furtive movement made by the person I shot to death.” ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/572 "2020-10-08T16:30:50Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > police shouldn’t be surprised when we sometimes question their accounts of shootings and other situations where extreme stress might play a role. No, they should not. And we should always compare eyewitness accounts against the available evidence, especially when stress was involved. An eyewitness is like Wikipedia. It can lead you to some really useful sources, and suggest interesting avenues to explore, but don’t cite it directly in your research. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/573 "2020-10-08T16:36:50Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > An eyewitness is like Wikipedia. “We ask you, humbly: don’t scroll away. We depend on donations from exceptional readers, but fewer than 2% give. If you donate just $150, or whatever you can…eyewitnesses could keep thriving. Thank you.” ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/574 "2020-10-09T03:30:46Z")
Aurora, where cops tear gas peaceful protesters and allow people to run them down in vehicles? It can’t be! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/575 "2020-10-09T04:36:39Z")
They do that in Seattle as well. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/576 "2020-10-10T00:06:17Z")
Philadelphia, 3 years ago and just now something is moving forward: > **[Ex-Philadelphia cop charged in fatal shooting of Black man](https://apnews.com/article/shootings-police-archive-philadelphia-e4c91a4b2419bf943815275caa69b362)** > > A white former Philadelphia police officer was charged Friday with first-degree murder in the fatal shooting of a Black man after a high-speed car chase nearly three years ago... ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/577 "2020-10-11T14:01:46Z")
Snowboarder\_Bo [posted a couple of weeks ago](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/516) about the indictment of Williamson Couty, Texas, Sheriff Robert Chody for evidence tampering in the death of a black man. Here’s a longer story on the issue, discussing how law enforcement procedures in the Texas County were affected, generally for the worse, by the presence of the Live PD TV show cameras and production crew. It’s pretty disturbing reading. > **[‘Live PD’ was canceled. But in one Texas county, its twisted legacy lives on.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-pd-was-canceled-one-texas-county-its-twisted-legacy-n1242746)** > > The police ride-along show damaged the lives of the people caught in the glare of its cameras and distorted policing in Williamson County. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/578 "2020-10-11T18:02:27Z")
disgraceful ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/579 "2020-10-11T18:24:21Z")
A black woman in San Diego says a cop slapped her phone out of her hand when she recorded him stopping her, and pulled her out of the car by her hair, ripping several braids out of her head. After spending six hours in custody with her hand handcuffed behind her back, she was released with no charges. > **[California Sheriff’s Deputy Forced Black Woman Out of Car by Yanking Her...](https://atlantablackstar.com/2020/10/10/california-sheriffs-deputy-forced-black-woman-out-of-car-by-yanking-her-braids-after-she-started-recording-their-interaction-over-for-a-broken-brake-light/)** > > A Southern California woman filed a complaint after a sheriff’s deputy reportedly snatched out some of her hair during an Oct. 1 traffic stop near San ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/580 "2020-10-15T23:17:38Z")
More on the Roland Greene case: > **[Black man's family views graphic video of in-custody death](https://apnews.com/article/john-bel-edwards-ahmaud-arbery-racial-injustice-louisiana-dc51668ec596f27e81c2c0c27d6f08c0)** > > BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Family members viewed long-secret body-camera video this week of a Black man who died in Louisiana State Police custody, their attorney calling it damning footage that shows troopers choking and beating the man, repeatedly... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/581 "2020-10-15T23:29:52Z")
And new info on an oldie but a goodie: > **[Park Police officers indicted in shooting of unarmed driver](https://apnews.com/article/shootings-police-885f611364389bd0bdcd6406b061d6e1)** > > FAIRFAX, Va. (AP) — Two U.S. Park Police officers were indicted Thursday on manslaughter charges in the 2017 shooting death of an unarmed motorist who led officers on a stop-and-go chase outside Washington, capping nearly three years of inquiry into... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=30)