# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/42 "2020-07-11T20:23:36Z")
Pence went to Philadelphia to meet with the Philadelphia police union. Afterwards, there was a private drinking party at the police union’s members only bar in their union headquarters. Members of the Proud Boys, wearing their insignia, mingled with the cops even though it was supposedly a members only party. Reporters were at the event, and they were trying to ask the Proud Boys why they were there, but police in uniform asked the Proud Boys if they were having problems with the reporters and demanded to see the reporters’ credentials… [https://www.inquirer.com/news/proud-boys-philly-police-fop-mike-pence-mcnesby-trump-alt-right-20200710.htm](https://www.inquirer.com/news/proud-boys-philly-police-fop-mike-pence-mcnesby-trump-alt-right-20200710.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/43 "2020-07-11T21:49:41Z")
One of the Wilmington cops who got fired over racist comments is demanding reinstatement on the grounds that his racist comments are protected by freedom of religion. > **[Wilmington officer appeals for reinstatement, claims racially-charged...](https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/07/11/wilmington-officer-appeals-for-reinstatement-claims-racially-charged-comments-protected-by-religious-beliefs/)** > > WILMINGTON — One of three former Wilmington Police Officers fired last month after unintentionally recorded conversations became public, revealing racist and violent language, has filed an appeal… ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/44 "2020-07-13T18:13:35Z")
Hear a lot is going on in Portland right now, with at least one death, IIRC. I’ve seen skepticism on social media that the troops there are actual recognized federal officers, and not just that mercenary group that Trump brought up to DC earlier. The governor has condemned their actions, but it doesn’t look like there’s a legal way to remove them, so who knows what’s going to happen, especially since it seems that the nation’s general attention has shifted away. (But that just makes the protestors remaining all the more remarkable, IMO.) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/45 "2020-07-13T22:03:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Pence went to Philadelphia to meet with the Philadelphia police union. Afterwards, there was a private drinking party at the police union’s members only bar in their union headquarters. Members of the Proud Boys, wearing their insignia, mingled with the cops even though it was supposedly a members only party. Reporters were at the event, and they were trying to ask the Proud Boys why they were there, but police in uniform asked the Proud Boys if they were having problems with the reporters and demanded to see the reporters’ credentials… > [https://www.inquirer.com/news/proud-boys-philly-police-fop-mike-pence-mcnesby-trump-alt-right-20200710.htm](https://www.inquirer.com/news/proud-boys-philly-police-fop-mike-pence-mcnesby-trump-alt-right-20200710.htm) Well, I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you! It’s almost as if the racist shitbag cadre of police officers has been public knowledge for almost 30 fucking years already. “Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses” and all, ya know? Sheeeeeeit, don’t even get me started on the live version… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/46 "2020-07-14T20:47:25Z")
Arkansas cop who threatened to shoot any protesters who came to his door is in jail for shooting a fellow cop who came to his door, > **[Cop who threatened to kill protesters shoots, kills colleague who knocked on...](https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/cop-who-threatened-kill-protesters-shoots-kills-colleague-who-knocked-door-affidavit-says/BMAXC27P7FA7LMIAXFQUJAHZJE/)** > > Calvin Nicholas “Nick” Salyers, 33, of Alexander, Arkansas, is charged with manslaughter in the June 3 killing of 36-year-old Scott Hutton, who was fatally shot through Salyers' front door. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/47 "2020-07-16T03:20:57Z")
Hawaii cop sentenced to four years in prison for forcing a homeless man to lick a public toilet. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officer-hawaii-sentenced-making-man-lick-urinal-71807861](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officer-hawaii-sentenced-making-man-lick-urinal-71807861) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/48 "2020-07-16T04:26:29Z")
This is just unbelievably sad. Where are all the cops and ex-cops on this board that stand against shit like this? There are so many videos and tweets and Facebook posts against people who are rebelling against treatment such as this, but where are all the “good cops” videos and tweets that say “This is not who we are”? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/49 "2020-07-16T04:29:19Z")
You don’t get it. Sometimes you have to make people lick urinals and shoot coworkers through closed doors, otherwise ANARCHY reigns! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/50 "2020-07-16T04:31:57Z")
Maybe I have to walk a mile in their shoes before I can criticize cops making a guy lick a urinal. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/51 "2020-07-16T12:55:04Z")
Here’s a homeless guy not exhibiting proper respect. So, the cop punches him repeatedly in the face. Then, the homeless guy is charged with assault, because of swelling in the cop’s hand. He was also pepper sprayed while lying on the subway platform. Fun! > **[\[Updated\] Cops Punch Homeless Man On Subway, Then Manhattan DA Charges Him...](https://gothamist.com/news/cops-punch-homeless-man-subway-then-charge-him-assault)** > > Body camera footage shows officers punching, pepper-spraying, and forcibly holding a man down on the ground while searching his belongings. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/52 "2020-07-18T02:47:25Z")
> **[Las Vegas police reach $2.2M settlement in chokehold death](https://apnews.com/general-news-88ce65b8b609c8d8c4a83849a28bf3e9)** > > The family of a man who was punched, hit with stun gun jolts and put in a neck restraint by a police officer outside a Las Vegas casino in 2017 has reached a tentative $2.2 million settlement with police. > [@](#): > > In 2018, all criminal charges against Lopera, also including oppression under color of office, were dropped after legal representatives from his police union presented evidence to a criminal grand jury that Brown’s death was due to his heart ailment and drug use. The grand jury refused to indict. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/53 "2020-07-18T02:51:58Z")
Yesterday, Lafayette Park. Today, Portland. Tomorrow… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/54 "2020-07-18T04:12:20Z")
Wayne County (Detroit) prosecutor releases a list of the names of police who are not considered trustworthy to testify in court. [https://m.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/07/16/these-35-cops-in-wayne-county-have-been-deemed-untrustworthy-to-testify-in-court](https://m.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/07/16/these-35-cops-in-wayne-county-have-been-deemed-untrustworthy-to-testify-in-court) ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/55 "2020-07-18T12:44:00Z")
On the plus side, the South Carolina Supreme Court has put a temporary ban on no-knock warrants: > **[South Carolina Supreme Court temporarily bans no-knock warrants](https://abcnews4.com/news/local/south-carolina-supreme-court-temporarily-bans-no-knock-warrants)** > > The South Carolina Supreme Court has temporarily ordered judges to stop issuing ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/56 "2020-07-18T18:25:02Z")
NYPD union leader does an interview with Fox News with his QAnon mug prominently displayed in the background. [Head of NYPD union gives Fox News interview with QAnon mug in background | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/head-nypd-union-qanon-mug/index.html)? ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/57 "2020-07-18T20:28:45Z")
That placement of the mug is not an accident - its there to send a message. In the UK if you are involved with certain government functions - such as prisons, police or law you cannot continue to hold your post and remain a member of a racist organisation. In the UK he would be suspended very quickly, and an internal investigation would then take place. Our civil service standards do not require just proof of supporting such an organisation, the evidence level is on ‘balance of probabilities’ however it goes somewhat further. Not only are civil servants required to abide by certain rules, even if no direct proof is found, they are required to be SEEN to be following the rules - in other words public perception and confidence is key. The seniority level of the staff member is also important, the higher the seniority the more stringent the rules simply because they are expected to self evaluate having been promoted on that basis. US police and public sector really needs a proper look and reform, far too much political patronage in US public sector whereas in the UK the civil servant is required to be seen as neutral to the political office holders. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/58 "2020-07-20T02:35:43Z")
Do prosecutors count? Iowa prosecutor says he doesn’t have time to provide police body camera footage and other evidence to the lawyers of a reporter whom he is trying to prosecute after being arrested at a protest. > **[Prosecutor: No time for evidence against arrested reporter](https://apnews.com/61bdb545074a5604ca5b102bd3c5df30)** > > DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — A prosecutor who is pursuing charges against an Iowa newspaper reporter who was arrested while covering a protest in May told a judge Thursday that his office shouldn't have to give body-camera footage and other evidence to... ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/59 "2020-07-21T13:08:55Z")
Man, the roots of fascism took hold quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/60 "2020-07-21T18:55:38Z")
Detroit cop charged with felony assault for firing rubber bullets at journalists. > **[Detroit police officer charged with felony assault after rubber bullets fired...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/21/detroit-officer-rubber-bullets-journalists-protest/5478529002/)** > > If convicted, 32-year-old corporal Daniel Debono could be sentenced to up to four years in prison. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/61 "2020-07-21T19:04:52Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Man, the roots of fascism took hold quickly The _rootlets_ take hold first. > Noun. 1. rootlet - small root or division of a root. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=4)