# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/682 "2020-11-16T21:36:10Z")
Cop goes to the wrong address, shoots a child’s dog. > **[UPDATE: Faulkner County Sheriff makes statement regarding dog shooting incident](https://www.fox16.com/news/local-news/faulkner-county-family-devastated-after-investigator-goes-to-the-wrong-house-and-shoots-childs-dog/)** > > UPDATE: Faulkner County Sheriff Tim Ryals makes statement: A Message From Sheriff RyalsSince taking office in 2017, I have been an advocate of integrity, professionalism, and transparency. I hold m… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/683 "2020-11-17T06:34:08Z")
The police chief of Corruna, Michigan was fired at tonight’s city council meeting over an arrest of a person who was recording police activity Friday. > **[Corunna fires police chief](https://www.argus-press.com/news/article_89275e4e-2874-11eb-b0a0-1f60a8fd1d5e.html)** > > CORUNNA — The Corunna City Council Monday voted 6-0 to fire Police Chief Nick Chiros after a video was posted online that showed Chiros verbally berating and then arresting a Here’s the video of the arrest. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/71HVwVoe9bo/maxresdefault.jpg "Corunna, MI Chief of Police Doesn't Give a F About Your Rights | Tyrant Nick Chiros") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71HVwVoe9bo) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/684 "2020-11-17T20:41:32Z")
Well that one wasn’t all that controversial, was it? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/685 "2020-11-17T22:00:29Z")
Well, I got no problem with these ‘First Amendment auditors’ feeling the “full legal force” in response to their nonsense . . . dude asshole should be thankful he didn’t get tazed. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/686 "2020-11-17T22:08:10Z")
Is this sarcasm? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/687 "2020-11-18T15:05:14Z")
Yeah, fuck the first amendment, am I right? Note to @Snowboarder_Bo: Yes, _that_ was sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/688 "2020-11-18T15:09:17Z")
I’m going to assume that y’all aren’t actually all that familiar with ‘’‘First Amendment Auditors’’. See also: Freeman on the Land, Sovereign Citizen, and People that have _Safelite: Windshield Repair & Replacement_ on speed dial. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/689 "2020-11-18T15:17:47Z")
Yeah, those people are idiotic morons (I’m surrounded by folks that worship Ammon “Freedumb” Bundy). But, that guy complied with their request to back up before Deputy Dipshit got his panties in a bunch. He was rightfully shit-canned. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/690 "2020-11-18T15:27:08Z")
Yes, Michigan Constitutional Crusader is the epitome of polite cooperation with the police. > **[Michigan Constitutional Crusader](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbMi18KmKXRb79716KgnVOA/videos)** > > I started recording public officials because I got tired of seeing tyrant police and other governments workers messing up and no one doing anything about it. So many people are afraid to stand up for their rights and follow what ever the police say... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/691 "2020-11-18T15:29:39Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yes, Michigan Constitutional Crusader is the epitome of polite cooperation with the police Many videos, and many hours of viewing. Care to narrow down what the fuck we are supposed to be looking for just a wee bit? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/692 "2020-11-18T15:33:25Z")
I think it is just an example of lunacy by volume. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/693 "2020-11-18T15:34:38Z")
Pick a couple of the short ones and watch exactly how cooperative Michigan Constitutional Crusader is with the police and other authorities. The entire point of their ‘’‘First Amendment auditing’’’ is to get arrested with the hope that they can then sue everyone and get a multi-million dollar payday. These people are not what they want you to think they are. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/694 "2020-11-18T15:37:10Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Pick a couple of the short ones… Why don’t we pick the one that started this conversation, and you point out where he was wrong and the police chief was right? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/695 "2020-11-18T15:41:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why don’t we pick the one that started this conversation, and you point out where he was wrong and the police chief was right? Ditto. How was Deputy Dawg in the right in this instance? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/696 "2020-11-18T16:31:24Z")
I’m gonna assume that you aren’t too familiar with sov cits or freemen on the land. They are people who claim that the laws do not apply to them, they do not “submit” to be ruled. That’s very different than asserting the rights that we actually _do_ have, even if doing so in a bit of an assholish fashion sometimes. Are you of the opinion that this individual _should_ have been tased and faced legal consequences for what he did? If so, what laws, exactly, did he break? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/697 "2020-11-18T16:33:58Z")
AH; so not sarcasm then. I’m very familiar with them and while you’re correct that a subset of these folks may have ties to those movements, the vast majority are not and do not. Besides, why are you trying to tar this one person in the OP with such a broad brush? Why don’t you tell us what’s wrong with the incident we’re discussing, instead of bringing a bunch of unrelated crap to the discussion? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/698 "2020-11-18T17:08:11Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > The entire point of their ‘’‘First Amendment auditing’’’ is to get arrested with the hope that they can then sue everyone and get a multi-million dollar payday. Let’s say that we accept, for the moment, that you are right about their intentions. Assume, for the sake of argument, that in their interactions with the police, the main aim of these people is to get arrested so that they can sue. You know the absolute best way for the police to deal with people like this? It’s to leave them alone, unless and until they actually break the law. Let them stand around and film, as they have a constitutional right to do. If they are getting too close, and putting themselves or others in danger, or truly interfering with police business, then ask them to step back. If they don’t step back, or if they actually do interfere with police business, then arrest them. The way to deal with people like this is NOT to arrest them just because you don’t like them, or because their lawful actions present some sort of annoyance to you. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/699 "2020-11-18T19:36:27Z")
Another instance of a Police Officer moonlighting as a professional killer. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-georgia-cop-and-gang-hitman-sentenced-to-prison-for-racketeering-charge/ar-BB1b6sbj](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-georgia-cop-and-gang-hitman-sentenced-to-prison-for-racketeering-charge/ar-BB1b6sbj) > Gumbs, who had been photographed flashing a hand sign used by the Gangster Disciples, was a self-professed “hitman” for the gang while serving as a police officer. > [https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-dekalb-county-police-officer-and-gangster-disciples-member-sentenced-prison](https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-dekalb-county-police-officer-and-gangster-disciples-member-sentenced-prison) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/700 "2020-11-19T05:29:40Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The police chief of Corruna, Michigan was fired at tonight’s city council meeting over an arrest of a person who was recording police activity Friday. > > [Corunna fires police chief](https://www.argus-press.com/news/article_89275e4e-2874-11eb-b0a0-1f60a8fd1d5e.html) I haven’t watched the video, but according to the article, > [@](#): > > The controversy began Friday shortly before noon when Central Dispatch called police to the scene to deal with a man who threatened to jump from the tower over an unspecified issue with a woman. > > Matthew Wrosch, of Bennington Township, who posts YouTube videos under the “Michigan Constitutional Crusader” account, went to the scene and began recording. The man, who climbed the tower can be seen about 30 feet up in the tower in the video. > > Wrosch is approached by two Michigan State Police troopers, who instructed him to move farther back from the tower because, they said, the man was agitated by people within his view. Wrosch agreed to move farther back, but continued recording. > > Several minutes later, Chiros approaches Wrosch and tells him to leave the scene several times. Wrosh responded that he was on public property that his recording is protected under the First Amendment. > > Chiros told Wrosch to leave several more times. Wrosch continued to refuse and Chiros finally arrested Wrosch for interference and resisting/obstructing a police officer. > > Wrosh protested, telling Chiros “you’re violating my rights.” > > “Listen, I could give a f\*\*\* about your rights right now,” Chiros says in the video. “I’m not politically correct. So shove that up your ass. I could give a f\*\*\* less what you think. You understand? I’m worried about that guy jumping off that God-d\*\*\*\* (tower). I don’t need you here doing this s\*\*\*. So you’re going to jail. You’re going to learn the hard way. I told you about four times.” > > “No, you’re going to learn the hard way,” Wrosch replied. I’d rather save my outrage for cops doubling as gang hitmen. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/701 "2020-11-19T07:48:06Z")
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