# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/722 "2020-11-19T15:33:39Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > In that circumstance, it is perfectly reasonable for the cops to tell the guy to bug off, and to enforce that order. He did bug off. He was almost 1/10th of a mile away ffs. The cop was unreasonable and way out of line. And you advocating for a baseless detention is almost as ridiculous as your previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/723 "2020-11-19T15:46:35Z")
If his presence was still impeding resolving the suicidal guy’s situation, he hadn’t bugged off enough. We give police broad discretion to act in emergency situations, and this is exactly why. Whether it’s reasonable to ask the guy to be further than 500’ away depends on the a) the mindset of the suicidal guy, who is clearly not acting entirely rationally, and b) whether it’s reasonable to bend to the suicidal guy’s whims. Don’t bother throwing up hypotheticals about evacuating the entire county, because that clearly wouldn’t be a reasonable course of action. Asking one guy to stop filming a potential suicide in order to better the chances of stopping that suicide to begin with is not unreasonable. Would you at least grant that the videographer was morally in the wrong for not leaving, under the assumption that he had been informed that his presence was hindering the suicide prevention effort? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/724 "2020-11-19T15:49:58Z")
Another factor is how police sometimes resolve suicide attempts. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/725 "2020-11-19T15:51:32Z")
The ‘’‘videographer’’’ has a documented pattern of not complying with lawful requests to leave. I’m betting the officer in question was very aware of that. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/726 "2020-11-19T15:54:30Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > You’re asking me whether I believe the cops or a YouTube Provocateur. It’s not actually either or. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/727 "2020-11-19T15:59:46Z")
cite? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/728 "2020-11-19T16:02:29Z")
I already did, but I can’t make anyone actually watch the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/729 "2020-11-19T16:03:53Z")
No. And would you stop moving the fucking goalposts? The fact that he was filming was never listed as the problem the cop had with the guy. But you know what? Cops lie; that’s why people film them. Suicidal people are often killed by police; that’s why people film them. 1/10th of a mile is so far away that it’s highly unlikely he could be seen by the distressed individual IMO. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/730 "2020-11-19T16:25:10Z")
You linked to a Youtube channel. You just want us to watch all the videos on there? You are right that you can’t _make_ us do that, and it would be ridiculous of you to expect it either. It’s little better than responding to a question for a cite with [google](https://google.com). You made the claim that he had a pattern of not complying with lawful requests. You imply that you have watched these videos to compile this pattern. It would be on you to indicate which videos and at what times he refused “lawful requests” to leave. As this was _not_ an example of a lawful request to leave, it would not fit any pattern that you “bet” the officer in question was very aware of. You are basically saying that, because the cop thought that he had broken the law in the past (which you have not established), that he should be punished for breaking the law now, even though he was not doing so. I bet that [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/11/florida-cop-meth-drugs-arrests-scandal/) cop was also “very aware” of the patterns of the people whose rights he violated as well. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/731 "2020-11-19T16:33:04Z")
I hope the next time Amon Bundy acts like an asshole in public y’all are as questioning of the conclusion most of us come to about him because we have actually seen the history of his behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/732 "2020-11-19T16:36:32Z")
Argle bargle mumflippery kerflempt! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/733 "2020-11-19T16:37:57Z")
So, when do we change the title of this thread to “Fuck the cops”? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/734 "2020-11-19T16:38:55Z")
I may call him an asshole, but unless he’s actually breaking the law, I don’t think that he should be arrested. Did you actually have particular videos or times at those videos that would establish this pattern you claim to have seen? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/735 "2020-11-19T16:40:57Z")
The thread title is correct as it is, but I wouldn’t be fazed if it was changed to “Fuck the cops who oppress and murder citizens”; the content of the thread wouldn’t change at all. Why don’t you start your own thread with your title? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/736 "2020-11-19T16:41:17Z")
Watch the videos where he’s ‘’‘First Amendment Auditing’’’. They’re kinda obvious. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/737 "2020-11-19T16:44:10Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l8ukak8P2vY/hqdefault.jpg "Help! I'm Being Repressed! (Short Version)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/738 "2020-11-19T16:45:18Z")
Crap like that doesn’t help your case. Do you have an example of a specific time on a specific video, or not? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/739 "2020-11-19T16:45:57Z")
Oh, that wasn’t his cite? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/740 "2020-11-19T17:18:31Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > when do we change the title of this thread to “Fuck the cops”? > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I wouldn’t be fazed if it was changed to “Fuck the cops who oppress and murder citizens”; That’s what I came here to reply. Let’s hear it for the ACLU!!! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/741 "2020-11-19T17:29:39Z")
CMC, right now, with these posts, you are acting no different than a Trumpist or a troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=38)