# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/802 "2020-12-02T20:26:12Z")
This news comes from Iowa City, IA but it really affects the entire United States: > **[Police guide that calls BLM a terrorist group draws outrage](https://apnews.com/article/police-guide-calls-blm-terrorist-group-8dc0afce2ce6b60dbaa0d1d9c53ce1e3)** > > IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A prominent law enforcement training group is promoting a lengthy research document riddled with falsehoods and conspiracies that urges local police to treat Black Lives Matter activists as terrorists plotting a violent... > [@](#): > > A prominent law enforcement training group is promoting a lengthy research document riddled with falsehoods and conspiracies that urges local police to treat Black Lives Matter activists as terrorists plotting a violent revolution. > > The document distributed by the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association contains misinformation and inflammatory rhetoric that could incite officers against protesters and people of color, critics said. It alleges Black Lives Matter and antifa, an umbrella term for leftist militants, are “revolutionary movements whose aims are to overthrow the U.S. government” and claims they are planning “extreme violence.” > > Phillip Atiba Goff, a Yale University professor who is an expert on racial bias in policing, called the document dangerous, noting that the association is an important source of training materials for many small and midsize departments across the country. > > “It’s stunning. It’s distressing in many ways. It’s untethered to reality,” said Goff, CEO of the Center for Policing Equity. 🙀 > [@](#): > > The association in October sent a link to the 176-page paper, “Understanding Antifa and Urban Guerrilla Warfare,” in an email news update to its thousands of members. The document, labeled “restricted to law enforcement only,” is one of the few publicly available materials on its website. The Associated Press learned of the document from one of the policing organization’s members. > > The group’s executive director, Harvey Hedden, defended the document, which he called one member’s opinion and open for critique and debate. He said the association supports the exchange of ideas and strategies to improve criminal justice training but does not endorse specific approaches. > > Hedden argued that fact-checking the paper or restricting its distribution would amount to censorship and that its publication would allow for peer review by other trainers. 🤔 > [@](#): > > He added, “Just like law enforcement, I am afraid BLM has earned some of these criticisms and others might be overgeneralization.” 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/803 "2020-12-08T18:42:56Z")
[Suspect Neutralized over Sandwich](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/casey-goodson-ohio-fatal-police-shooting) Police claim Casey Goodson was driving down the street waving a gun (which he had a license to carry), confronted him as he was unlocking his front door and shot him three times in the back as he refused to drop his ~~sandwich~~ weapon. The suspect later died at the hospital. We know the police account of the incident is wholly accurate because there are no witnesses or bodycam footage, and the police never lie. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/804 "2020-12-08T20:24:02Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-york-bar-co-owner-who-allegedly-hit-sheriffs-deputy-with-car-claims-he-did-nothing-wrong/vi-BB1bKk2A](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-york-bar-co-owner-who-allegedly-hit-sheriffs-deputy-with-car-claims-he-did-nothing-wrong/vi-BB1bKk2A) Man drives his car into two sheriff’s deputies. Man says was in fear for his life. I guess the deputies had no such fear, as neither tried to fire their weapons. Which is odd, right. We have seen cops fire at cars for far less than this, right? Oh…the driver was white. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/805 "2020-12-09T04:10:08Z")
Los Angeles: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XRCfXiZ2qz4/maxresdefault.jpg "LAPD Officers Appear to Beat Peaceful Racial Justice Protesters | NowThis") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCfXiZ2qz4) > **[LAPD Strike Lockdown Protesters with Batons Outside Mayor Garcetti's House](https://www.newsweek.com/lapd-violence-footage-eric-garcetti-protests-1552789)** > > Footage shows LAPD officers in riot gear using batons to try and push back protesters during the 13th day of demonstrations outside Mayor Eric Garcetti's house. > **[LAPD criticized by Dems, BLM for using batons against protesters outside...](https://www.foxnews.com/us/lapd-batons-black-lives-matter-protesters-garcetti-home)** > > The Los Angeles Police Department received criticism from Democratic lawmakers and Black Lives Matter, who argued that officers who used batons against a crowd outside Mayor Eric Garcetti’s home used excessive force and... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/806 "2020-12-09T04:36:06Z")
Minneapolis: > **[Black juvenile lifer thanks legal panel for reviewing case](https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-shootings-minnesota-minneapolis-us-news-1e2531525237627d5f67a62103a1dab8)** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Black man who has spent nearly two decades behind bars says he's grateful that a panel of legal experts was able to review his case with “fresh, unbiased eyes,” helping to expose serious flaws in the police investigation that put... > [@](#): > > A national panel of legal experts recommended the immediate release of a Black man sentenced to life in prison as a teenager nearly two decades ago. > > The panel also said Minneapolis police appear to have suffered from “tunnel vision” while investigating the case of Myon Burrell, who was convicted of killing a little girl hit by a stray bullet in 2002. In addition, the panel said, among the other serious flaws in the high-profile case, police ignored witnesses and evidence that might have helped eliminate Burrell as a suspect. > > The panel, which was created to examine Burrell’s conviction and sentence, released it’s report Tuesday. Many of its findings mirrored those uncovered by an Associated Press and APM Reports [investigation](https://bit.ly/2VPJPZA)earlier this year. They included unreliable testimony from the sole eyewitness; a heavy reliance on jailhouse informants who received “extraordinarily generous” sentence reductions in exchange for their testimonies; and a failure to retrieve surveillance video from a corner store — footage that Burrell, now 34, has always maintained would have cleared him. > > **The eight-member panel was unable to address Burrell’s guilt or innocence, saying its work was hampered by Hennepin County Prosecutor Mike Freeman’s failure to provide all of the evidence the panel requested.** That is unacceptable; he should be disbarred and otherwise sanctioned as the law allows IMO. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/807 "2020-12-09T13:07:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That is unacceptable; he should be disbarred and otherwise sanctioned as the law allows IMO. In cases of malfeasance, I’ve always thought it would be just for the prosecutor to serve the sentence that they falsely tried to foist on someone else. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/808 "2020-12-09T14:30:23Z")
There’s been quite a lot of talk over the past year or so about qualified immunity for government employees like police, but I think that one of the real problems in our justice system is the almost absolute immunity enjoyed by prosecutors. They can do just about anything to get a conviction. If their misconduct gets found out, the conviction might be overturned, but they still can’t be sued. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/809 "2020-12-09T14:42:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > In cases of malfeasance, I’ve always thought it would be just for the prosecutor to serve the sentence that they falsely tried to foist on someone else. Yeah, I agree. Same for police trying to bring false charges. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/810 "2020-12-10T04:55:48Z")
Washington jail officer shoots and kills a 70 year old lady in the lobby…but society is safe from him because he was put on administrative leave. [Washington Jail Officer Shoots and Kills 70-Year-Old Woman in Building’s Lobby (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/washington-jail-officer-shoots-and-kills-70-year-old-woman-in-building-s-lobby/ar-BB1bNomD?ocid=msedgntp) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/811 "2020-12-16T13:34:27Z")
Chicago police at it again. This is from a couple of years ago, but the bodycam video was only just released. > **['You Have the Wrong Place:' Body Camera Video Shows Moments Police Handcuff...](https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/you-have-the-wrong-place-body-camera-video-shows-moments-police-handcuff-innocent-naked-woman-during-wrong-raid/)** > > For the first time, police body camera video reveals what an innocent woman said happened to her nearly two years ago: police officers wrongly entered her home with guns drawn and handcuffed her naked as she watched in horror. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/812 "2020-12-16T14:17:24Z")
Good God. She should get millions. Two fucking years already. Jesus that was hard to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/813 "2020-12-16T14:44:02Z")
From the article, “The 23-year-old suspect police were looking for actually lived in the unit next door to Young at the time of the raid and had no connection to her.” You think maybe he skedaddled while they made a very loud raid next door? Or at least got rid of the weapons he wasn’t supposed to have? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/814 "2020-12-16T15:19:46Z")
I was a bit perplexed by the video. They showed the team breaking down the door with a battering ram. Not her door, the security door. How fucking lazy and incompetent are they that they cannot be arsed to find out who the building manager is and buzz him to let them in? Is the whole show-of-force thing so vital that they have to fucking inconvenience everyone who lives in the building? ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/815 "2020-12-16T16:22:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is the whole show-of-force thing so vital that they have to fucking inconvenience everyone who lives in the building? Yes. It is. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/816 "2020-12-16T17:43:22Z")
Aye; it is. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/817 "2020-12-16T18:20:12Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > You think maybe he skedaddled while they made a very loud raid next door? Probably not, because he had one of those police tracking devices on as well, since he was awaiting trial for something. They mention it in the video. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/818 "2020-12-16T18:25:42Z")
They couldn’t use that to determine where he was? And also that they were in the wrong place? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/819 "2020-12-16T18:32:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is the whole show-of-force thing so vital that they have to fucking inconvenience everyone who lives in the building? That’s the point. Show the whole neighborhood that the police can intimidate them. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/820 "2020-12-16T18:47:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > They couldn’t use that to determine where he was? And also that they were in the wrong place? They could not even be bothered to check the address to make sure they had the correct one, the raid had to happen right now! Department brass needs to be culled. Seriously, sent to live in Litchfield. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/821 "2020-12-16T18:51:02Z")
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