# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/902 "2021-02-02T19:58:01Z")
There is a sliding scale of human worth that police seem to work off. It isn’t universal, but it definitely seems tightly linked to race and income. Slate had a good brief review of how this fits in with a number of recent incidents: > None of those girls did anything that could even begin to justify the abuse they received. Adults often excuse their egregious actions toward Black children by leaning into stereotypes that Black kids, especially girls, are defiant, unruly, and “bad.” In their minds, these kids have to be reeled in and the only way to do that is with force. Black children are [seen as older](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-america-black-children-dont-get-to-be-children/2014/11/26/a9e24756-74ee-11e4-a755-e32227229e7b_story.html), nefarious, and inherently violent. They are afforded no innocence or understanding. Often, they are [blamed for the violence inflicted upon them](https://prospect.org/power/black-kids-accused-causing-deaths-tamir-rice-emmett-till/). None of the officers who responded to that 911 call in Rochester, at least none on video, thought to meet a screaming child with compassion or anything other than pulling at her arms, throwing her into the snow in 17 degree weather, and spraying her in the face with an irritant. > **[The Police Pepper-Sprayed a 9-Year-Old Girl](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/the-police-pepper-sprayed-a-nine-year-old-girl.html)** > > A Rochester incident caught on video shows how easily officers use force on a child. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/903 "2021-02-02T20:33:38Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Clearly the officer was in fear of his life. She was in the seat, right? She could have nutted him with a swift kick. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/904 "2021-02-02T21:26:45Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Clearly the officer was in fear of his life Aren’t you supposed to say ‘she’s coming right for us’ first? > [@eschereal](#): > > She could have nutted him with a swift kick. While I try not to assume anything, [the officer](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210201010130-rochester-police-pepper-spray-child-exlarge-169.jpg) [appears to be lacking in the nut department](https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/Screen_Shot_2021-02-01_at_12.24.21.2e16d0ba.fill-661x496.png). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/905 "2021-02-03T20:17:33Z")
Is qualified immunity going to go away? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/dUqjU3UaJus/maxresdefault.jpg "Supreme Court Strikes Down Qualified Immunity Claim - Ep. 7.276") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUqjU3UaJus) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/906 "2021-02-03T22:38:26Z")
I would like to think so, but this case doesn’t really tell us very much, one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/907 "2021-02-05T20:00:48Z")
$3M bond: > **[Defense: Officer and Andre Hill interacted before shooting](https://apnews.com/article/us-news-columbus-shootings-crime-ohio-e197283dd8c866435489c1ad792ad386)** > > COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The former police officer accused of killing Andre Hill interacted “two to three” times with Hill before the shooting and became concerned he was a burglar, the officer’s attorney said Friday, as he defended his client with... ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/908 "2021-02-05T20:07:17Z")
Maybe Rick Schroder can help! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/909 "2021-02-09T23:10:34Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-police-fatally-shoot-armed-man-in-his-own-yard-after-mistaking-him-for-suspect/ar-BB1dxSRX?li=BBnbfcL](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-police-fatally-shoot-armed-man-in-his-own-yard-after-mistaking-him-for-suspect/ar-BB1dxSRX?li=BBnbfcL) I guess they made no attempt to make he was their guy before shooting him. > “Officers attempted life-saving measures, but they were unsuccessful. Emergency medical personnel from the Idaho Falls Fire Department also responded and were also unable to provide any lifesaving aid to the man,” Johnson said. I guess he was a white guy. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/910 "2021-02-10T03:27:40Z")
Dollars to donuts that the guy who was shot (and armed) was out looking to “help”, hoping to be a hero. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/911 "2021-02-10T15:53:45Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I guess he was a white guy. That’s a pretty safe guess for Idaho Falls. It appears the person they were really hunting down was white so I’m guessing the mistaken identity was as well. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/912 "2021-02-10T16:16:40Z")
I meant we knew he was white because “Officers attempted life-saving measures". As opposed to the Ohio cops who mistakenly shot a black man holding a cell phone and did NOT attempt life-saving measures, or comforting measures, or treat him like a human being measures… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/913 "2021-02-11T04:08:31Z")
Beverly Hills cops are playing copyrighted music while being filmed by activists so that the people filming them can’t post the videos on social media, because the social media platforms will take the clips down for violating copyright. > **[Beverly Hills Sgt. Accused Of Playing Copyrighted Music While Being Filmed To...](https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/instagram-licensed-music-filming-police-copyright/)** > > Questions are being raised about whether law enforcement in Beverly Hills are playing music while being filmed by activists in a purported effort to activate copyright filters on social media sites when those videos are shared online. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/914 "2021-02-11T15:34:13Z")
Huh, I wonder how B.M.E. Music Group feels about that. They go after people who play music in public without a license. Be funny if they go after these cops. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/915 "2021-02-11T16:38:10Z")
Doh! Yes, very true. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/916 "2021-02-11T23:59:49Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-cops-more-likely-to-arrest-use-force-against-people-of-color-study-of-chicago-police-finds/ar-BB1dBOyU?ocid=Peregrine](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-cops-more-likely-to-arrest-use-force-against-people-of-color-study-of-chicago-police-finds/ar-BB1dBOyU?ocid=Peregrine) Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/917 "2021-02-12T00:12:14Z")
Another ‘Cops are horrible people’ article: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/firing-upheld-for-officers-who-mocked-elijah-mcclains-chokehold-death/ar-BB1dAx6s](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/firing-upheld-for-officers-who-mocked-elijah-mcclains-chokehold-death/ar-BB1dAx6s) Cops had mistakenly detained, choke-holded and killed a young black man. At the memorial, three cops take a selfie mocking the man’s tragic death and send to one the cops involved in the death ‘to cheer him up’. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/918 "2021-02-12T01:18:17Z")
Did you notice that these guys have been disciplined more harshly than the cops who choked the guy to death. I guess looking bad is still worse than actually doing bad. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/919 "2021-02-12T01:57:57Z")
Guess who’s fault it was that a 9-year-old Black girl got pepper sprayed! > **[New video captures pepper-sprayed girl's wait for EMTs](https://apnews.com/article/rochester-9a86bf7fca7399cb1602f577688c7f01)** > > ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) — A 9-year-old Black girl pepper sprayed by police pleaded “please don’t do this to me” and “it burns” as she waited handcuffed in the back seat of a police cruiser for 16 minutes, according to new police body camera footage... > [@](#): > > “Officer, please don’t do this to me,” she says at one point. > > “You did it to yourself, hon,” the officer responds. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/920 "2021-02-12T03:16:01Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > Did you notice that these guys have been disciplined more harshly than the cops who choked the guy to death. I guess looking bad is still worse than actually doing bad. They just got fired. The others are racist pigs that may yet be charged as murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/921 "2021-02-12T04:22:06Z")
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