# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/942 "2021-02-26T07:24:53Z")
Well THIS isn’t good: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/deputies-say-gangs-exist-within-los-angeles-sheriffs-department/ar-BB1e0DeL](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/deputies-say-gangs-exist-within-los-angeles-sheriffs-department/ar-BB1e0DeL) > “They operate as a gang. They commit crimes, they assault people,” one deputy told CBS News’ Maria Elena Salinas. > > The deputy said the gang is based out of East L.A., and that members who have become Banditos there have been promoted and “they’ve spread all over the county.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/943 "2021-02-26T09:47:31Z")
While I think it is good to see the charge I am highly doubtful there will be a conviction. > **[Oklahoma officer charged in Black man's fatal shooting](https://apnews.com/article/homicide-shootings-police-oklahoma-city-oklahoma-11c36bfa111751e25bdc77be2c37f3c7)** > > OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A white Oklahoma City police officer accused of fatally shooting a fleeing Black man armed with a knife three times in the back was charged Thursday with first-degree... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/944 "2021-02-26T09:53:46Z")
WTF Chief? 🤨 > **[Chief: No discipline while state eyes death of Black man](https://apnews.com/article/criminal-investigations-colorado-aurora-crime-arrests-ad722de7e4b2184c53eab930429fdd31)** > > DENVER (AP) — Following the release of a highly critical report about the arrest and death of Elijah McClain in Colorado and a police investigation into the events, Aurora's police chief said Tuesday she could not discipline anyone involved while the... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/945 "2021-02-27T19:38:42Z")
Louisiana: > **[AP: Trooper kicked, dragged Black man who died in custody](https://apnews.com/article/arrests-us-news-louisiana-york-4a755f3307479b5dd8adbbcbc65cdebf)** > > A Louisiana State Police trooper has been suspended without pay for kicking and dragging a handcuffed Black man whose in-custody death remains unexplained and the subject of a federal civil rights investigation. > [@](#): > > Body camera footage shows Master Trooper Kory York dragging Ronald Greene “on his stomach by the leg shackles” following a violent arrest and high-speed pursuit, according to internal State Police records obtained by The Associated Press. > > The records are the first public acknowledgement by State Police that Greene was mistreated, and they confirm details provided last year by an attorney for Greene’s family who [viewed graphic body camera footage](https://apnews.com/article/john-bel-edwards-ahmaud-arbery-racial-injustice-louisiana-dc51668ec596f27e81c2c0c27d6f08c0)of the May 2019 arrest and likened it the police killing of George Floyd. The video shows troopers choking and beating the man, repeatedly jolting him with stun guns and dragging him face-down across the pavement, the attorney told AP. > > State Police have repeatedly refused to publicly release the body camera footage. The agency has been tight lipped about Greene’s death and initially blamed the man’s fatal injuries on a car crash outside Monroe, La. > > York, who turned his own body camera off on his way to the scene, is seen on other body-cam footage yanking Greene’s shackles and repeatedly using profanity toward Greene before he died in custody. > > “You’re gonna lay on your f(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk) belly like I told you!” the trooper says at one point, according to the police records. > > York was suspended without pay for 50 hours following an internal investigation that also led to the termination of another trooper, Chris Hollingsworth, who died in a single-car crash after learning he had been fired over his role in the incident. The AP last year [published a 27-second audio clip](https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-louisiana-a84a8378a6d6f9998dc9e980ab7228c5) from Hollingsworth’s body camera in which he can be heard telling a colleague, “I beat the ever-living f— out of” Greene before he “all of a sudden he just went limp.” ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/946 "2021-02-27T21:12:00Z")
[quote=“Snowboarder\_Bo, post:945, topic:912531”] York, who turned his own body camera off on his way to the scene Somehow this is still a thing officers can do without repercussion. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/947 "2021-03-02T04:40:44Z")
A little long but worth a watch. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WYdi1bL6s10/maxresdefault.jpg "Raids: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYdi1bL6s10) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/948 "2021-03-02T16:39:55Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > York, who turned his own body camera off on his way to the scene > > Somehow this is still a thing officers can do without repercussion. Fuck him. As soon as a police officer deliberately turns his own body camera off, he should be considered to no longer an officer, and is simply a civilian with a gun acting illegally. This is how his crimes should be treated. At the point he turns the camera off, he has effectively resigned from the force, and turned into a rogue vigilante. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/949 "2021-03-02T16:43:08Z")
Certainly turning off the body camera should render any of his testimony suspect and remove any presumption of innocence. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/950 "2021-03-02T16:48:02Z")
It also indicates a measure of premeditation. As in “I’m going to beat the hell out of this guy, so I better start concealing the evidence now” ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/951 "2021-03-02T17:54:29Z")
A search of Amazon, Ebay, and Aliexpress results in lots of things called “police body cameras” ranging in price from $20-200. Maybe these should become standard accessories for protesters, joggers, and the like. Even criminals could use them, because they can always securely erase the video once they get away. “Your own video clearly shows you rolling through the stop sign before you were pulled over, and your kids forced to lie face down in the snow.” ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/952 "2021-03-02T19:12:07Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Certainly turning off the body camera should render any of his testimony suspect and remove any presumption of innocence. Well, nothing will remove the presumption of innocence. I agree that it makes any of his testimony suspect. Too bad grand juries don’t see it that way. They _have_ told us how much a black life matters. Just a little over a week’s pay. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/953 "2021-03-03T23:45:51Z")
How fucking dumb can a cop be? How about [dumb enough to sext a **15-year-old girl** that came to the station to report a crime](https://www.dailybreeze.com/2021/03/03/manhattan-beach-police-officer-charged-with-sending-explicit-messages-to-girl/)? Texts don’t leave any evidence trail, do they? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/954 "2021-03-04T17:02:35Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kansas-city-officer-wont-be-charged-in-shooting-death-of-donnie-sanders/ar-BB1eaiXi](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kansas-city-officer-wont-be-charged-in-shooting-death-of-donnie-sanders/ar-BB1eaiXi) "insufficient established facts to demonstrate that the officer’s belief was unreasonable’ The officer’s belief? “All n\*\*\*\*\* are armed thugs and are itching to kill us righteous white people!! Even the little ones!” - I hate using the word, but you know that’s the one in their minds. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/955 "2021-03-04T17:17:09Z")
Ex police Chief is crazy arsonist\killer: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-police-chief-facing-murder-arson-charges/vi-BB1eeAkQ](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-police-chief-facing-murder-arson-charges/vi-BB1eeAkQ) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/956 "2021-03-04T22:44:47Z")
Dallas too: > **[Dallas police officer charged with arranging two killings](https://apnews.com/article/dallas-officer-charged-2-counts-capital-murder-f2fe7901959a0b24f391ca7db412e960)** > > DALLAS (AP) — A Dallas police officer was arrested Thursday on two counts of capital murder, more than a year and a half after a man told investigators that he kidnapped and killed two people at the officer's instruction in 2017, authorities said... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/957 "2021-03-04T22:49:42Z")
Your link went to a very bad page with a video that didn’t like to play and had no other information; I found this instead: > **[Court Docs: Former police chief set fire to 12 homes, some with children inside](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/laurel-police-chief-arson-attempted-murder-charges-maryland/65-705eb141-6f2f-4953-b39e-9bef86131eee)** > > The charges against David Crawford are in connection to 12 fires that have happened since 2011. And the details bear quoting so they are preserved in this thread and available for all to see: > [@](#): > > Former City of Laurel Police Chief David Crawford, 69, has been denied bail in Howard County after being arrested Wednesday on numerous charges of arson and attempted murder. Crawford has been tied to at least 12 fires since 2011, according to statements from the Maryland State Fire Marshal’s Office and Laurel Mayor Craig A. Moe. > > Several homes were occupied at the time of the attacks and the targeted residences included ones where children lived, according to court documents. > > Crawford is accused of having a hit list that included colleagues, a chiropractor, a family member and a rival on a community association, according to court documents. He faces charges including first degree arson and attempted first degree murder. > > “All of these crimes deal with some form of retaliation,” Major Assistant prosecutor Scott Hammond said at a press conference on Thursday as he argued Crawford should not be let out on bail. “There’s nothing to guarantee that Mr. Crawford might not try to go out in a blaze of glory.” # _He went to homes with children inside and set the homes on fire._ Amongst other horrific things. All while wearing a badge. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/958 "2021-03-04T23:02:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Amongst other horrific things. All while wearing a badge. To be fair, most if not all of these were after he was fired. But still…WTF??? ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/959 "2021-03-05T01:17:51Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > But still…WTF??? But, but, they have extensive testing and training to join… _Well I’m a high school grad I’m over 5 foot 3_ _I’ll get a badge and a gun and I’ll join the P.D._ _“[God is a Bullet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNZpkimAZSI)”_ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/960 "2021-03-05T20:11:49Z")
Dallas cops and Murder for Hire [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-dallas-police-chief-cop-accused-of-capital-murder-kept-on-job-to-not-tip-him-off/ar-BB1ehJ27?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-dallas-police-chief-cop-accused-of-capital-murder-kept-on-job-to-not-tip-him-off/ar-BB1ehJ27?li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/961 "2021-03-06T16:55:37Z")
> **[Watch: Rochester police officer pepper-sprays Black mother with toddler](https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2021/03/05/rochester-ny-police-officer-pepper-sprays-mom-holding-toddler/6906769002/)** > > The incident occurred less than a month after another involving a 9-year-old girl garnered international attention. This is for suspected shoplifting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=49)