# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/962 "2021-03-07T03:40:07Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Police officer pepper-sprays mom with toddler in Rochester, NY](https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2021/03/05/rochester-ny-police-officer-pepper-sprays-mom-holding-toddler/6906769002/) > > This is for suspected shoplifting. now that is a poorly-worded headline ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/963 "2021-03-09T16:16:34Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kentucky-lawmakers-advance-bill-to-criminalize-insulting-police/ar-BB1epBna?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kentucky-lawmakers-advance-bill-to-criminalize-insulting-police/ar-BB1epBna?li=BBnb7Kz) NOW we have a First Amendment issue. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/964 "2021-03-09T16:57:49Z")
> [@](#): > > “This (bill) is not about lawful protest in any way, shape, form, or fashion,” said Carroll, who is also a retired police officer. “This country was built on lawful protest and it’s something we must maintain our citizens’ right to do so. What this deals with are those who cross the line and commit criminal acts.” “…and we’ll continue to move that line so that more and more protests are illegal. We’re not trying to shut down _lawful_ protests, just the unlawful ones.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/965 "2021-03-09T17:09:33Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/srf8Hi-QAXA/maxresdefault.jpg "Derek Chauvin Trial live stream") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srf8Hi-QAXA) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/966 "2021-03-10T19:54:46Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lapd-finds-one-officer-shared-george-floyd-valentine-seeks-info-on-social-media-accounts/ar-BB1esebu?li=BBnbfcL](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lapd-finds-one-officer-shared-george-floyd-valentine-seeks-info-on-social-media-accounts/ar-BB1esebu?li=BBnbfcL) The officer should get fired twice. Once for the demeaning delight in another person’s death and once for being an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/967 "2021-03-10T21:11:41Z")
Hey, there might be some justice after all! [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/iowa-journalist-who-was-arrested-at-protest-is-found-not-guilty/ar-BB1esxf7?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/iowa-journalist-who-was-arrested-at-protest-is-found-not-guilty/ar-BB1esxf7?li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/968 "2021-03-11T03:31:58Z")
> [@Kentucky Legislation](#): > > … Accosts, insults, taunts, or challenges a law enforcement officer with offensive or derisive words, or by gestures or other physical contact, that would have a direct tendency to provoke a violent response from the perspective of a reasonable and prudent person. bolding mine Ok, so, the definition of a “reasonable and prudent person” is …? How much do these legislators drink? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/969 "2021-03-11T11:05:24Z")
I’m sure they’ll tell you that they drink no more than any other reasonable and prudent person. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/970 "2021-03-11T17:13:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ok, so, the definition of a “reasonable and prudent person” is …? ..a police officer. “Lets draft a law that we can guarantee will be swatted down like pesky fly by the Supreme Court!” ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/971 "2021-03-11T17:29:26Z")
> He also said in court that his body camera had failed to record the interaction. I’ve decided that if I’m ever on a jury where a police officer turns off or fails to turn on his body cam I’m immediately voting for acquittal and jury-nullifying the $#!t out of that case. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/972 "2021-03-11T20:24:12Z")
I like my idea, where if it is ever found that a police officer deliberately turned off their body camera, then every subsequent action of theirs is treated as if they are an ordinary citizen with no police powers whatsoever. They should no longer be allowed to stop, detain, question, touch, arrest or assault any person at all, full stop starting from the point the camera is turned off. If they do any of these, they should be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/973 "2021-03-11T22:09:07Z")
Watch this video about Stavian Rodriguez: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/lBqGaNppx9I/maxresdefault.jpg "Videos of fatal OKC police shooting released") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBqGaNppx9I) Naturally the police waited until the teenager dropped the gun before they started shooting (and killed him). > **[Five Oklahoma City officers charged with manslaughter in fatal shooting of...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/us/oklahoma-city-shooting-officers-charged/index.html)** > > Five Oklahoma City Police officers were charged with first-degree manslaughter in last year's fatal shooting of a 15-year-old armed robbery suspect who had already dropped his weapon, according to court documents filed Wednesday in Oklahoma County. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/974 "2021-03-11T22:10:00Z")
Then the camera needs to have a an indicator on it so that I can tell if that uniformed person is legitimately on duty. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/975 "2021-03-12T18:32:11Z")
This is one of those stories that makes you say “What the Actual Fuck?” > **[Texas Rangers stop using hypnosis after Dallas Morning News investigation...](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2021/03/11/texas-rangers-stop-using-hypnosis-after-dallas-morning-news-investigation-reveals-dubious-science/)** > > AUSTIN — The Texas Department of Public Safety has ended the controversial practice of using hypnosis to investigate crimes. A department spokesman said the... But then you see it, “Oh. Texas.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/976 "2021-03-12T19:12:52Z")
> **[Floyd family agrees to $27M settlement amidst ex-cop's trial](https://apnews.com/article/minneapolis-pay-27-million-settle-floyd-family-lawsuit-52a395f7716f52cf8d1fbeb411c831c7)** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The city of Minneapolis on Friday agreed to pay $27 million to settle a civil lawsuit from George Floyd’s family over the Black man’s death in police custody, as jury selection continued in a former officer’s murder trial... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/977 "2021-03-12T22:37:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This is one of those stories that makes you say “What the Actual Fuck?” A link that doesn’t require a subscription: [Texas Rangers just stopped using hypnosis to investigate crimes (insider.com)](https://www.insider.com/texas-rangers-hypnosis-investigate-crimes-stopped-2021-3) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/978 "2021-03-12T22:58:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I like my idea, where if it is ever found that a police officer deliberately turned off their body camera, then every subsequent action of theirs is treated as if they are an ordinary citizen with no police powers whatsoever. They should no longer be allowed to stop, detain, question, touch, arrest or assault any person at all, full stop starting from the point the camera is turned off. I like my idea where the camera is always running and if it must be turned off\* they have to radio in to their supervisor or dispatch and request it be turned off for X minutes. Even then, (in a perfect world) if their gun/handcuffs/pepper spray is taken out of their belt it turns itself back on. If accelerometers notice the officer appears to be running, falling, fighting etc, again, it turns itself back on. So now you have a situation where it’s always on and always recording and there’s a log of each time it was turned off, a reason and who ok’d on it. Furthermore, if it ‘breaks’, that is, if it stops recording for any reason other than the officer and their superior allowed it to turn off (so, low battery, run out of storage, broken, etc) it can send a signal back to the station and the officer can be told to come back for a new one. TLDR, they should be always on but can be turned off, not always off but can be turned on. \*ie using the bathroom or doing some thing otherwise sensitive/private that’s on some list of times it’s acceptable to have it turned off. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/979 "2021-03-13T07:23:27Z")
More details from Louisiana regarding the police beating of Antonio Harris: > **['Gonna be sore:' La. troopers boasted of beating Black man](https://apnews.com/article/arrests-us-news-louisiana-195897206619624d0e4fc150c50cab30)** > > Louisiana State Police troopers joked in a group text about beating a Black man after a high-speed chase last year, saying the “whoopin” would give the man “nightmares for a long time,” according to new court filings. “He gonna be sore tomorrow for... ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/980 "2021-03-13T15:29:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I like my idea, where if it is ever found that a police officer deliberately turned off their body camera, then every subsequent action of theirs is treated as if they are an ordinary citizen with no police powers whatsoever. I’d go even further. If a cop makes up a law that does not exist they are acting as a private individual and thus 1. No qualified immunity for any actions. 2. There is no resisting arrest crime since you cannot be arrested for a made-up crime. 3. The LEO is held as a private individual for any crime they commit such as “arresting” the individual for the non-existent crime is kidnapping or “taking into evidence” any object is stealing. 4. The LEO is automatically suspended without pay for a set time as a minimum and they must pass a test on what are laws and what are not before they return to duty with pay. 5. If an officer’s body cam is turned off, they cannot testify to anything that occurred during the time the cam was off. 6. For multiple infractions of turning off body cams, making up laws, or gross abuse of power, etc. the result is the person is not able to be a law enforcement officer OR even carry a guard card (private security) in that state. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/981 "2021-03-13T16:07:12Z")
[SWAT Team Destroyed This Innocent Woman’s House While Chasing a Fugitive. The City Refuses To Pay for Damages](https://reason.com/2021/03/05/swat-team-destroyed-innocent-womans-house-while-chasing-fugitive-city-refuses-to-pay-fifth-amendment/) SWAT team destroys house, and city refuses to pay for damage. Homeowners insurance company also refuses to pay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=50)