# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/82 "2020-08-05T02:51:00Z")
Prolly just a few bad apples, amirite? 🙄 > **[Los Angeles deputy says colleagues are part of violent gang](https://apnews.com/4185e8f99264bcd225dff9671d6d6134)** > > COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — A violent gang of Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies who call themselves “The Executioners” control a patrol station in Compton through force, threats, work slowdowns and acts of revenge against those who speak out, a deputy... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/83 "2020-08-05T04:32:06Z")
> **[California prosecutors ask NFL to take down shooting video](https://apnews.com/general-news-85d75a75eac5b282020e439ecfc8c4ae)** > > California prosecutors are asking the NFL to remove a video produced as part of the league’s Inspire Change campaign. > [@](#): > > The video shows Sequette Clark speaking about the death of her son, Stephon Clark, who was killed in the backyard of his grandparents’ home. The shooting led to weeks of protests in Sacramento and across the nation, sometimes disrupting games by the NBA’s Sacramento Kings. > > “Though well-intentioned, the video performs a disservice instead of a public service by omitting the crucial facts which preceded Mr. Clark’s tragic death,” California District Attorneys Association president Vern Pierson said in a statement. > > Among other things, the video doesn’t mention that he was suspected of vandalism and was running from police, he noted. Clark turned toward them holding what the two officers said they thought was a gun, but it was a cellphone. I beg to differ: those are not crucial facts and they in no way justify the killing of Mr. Clark. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/84 "2020-08-05T11:05:14Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I beg to differ: those are not crucial facts and they in no way justify the killing of Mr. Clark. I guess you missed my point above. Don’t you realize that he was black _and_ he was pointing a cell phone (according to the cops who killed him?). As I said… > [@RitterSport](#): > > Black people are essentially super-beings in the eyes of the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/85 "2020-08-05T12:30:30Z")
And vandalism is a crime worthy of capital punishment in most jurisdictions. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/86 "2020-08-05T16:15:12Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I’m shocked to find that the occupants of the non-stolen non-motorcycle with non-Montana plates were black! > > They cuffed the 17-year-old and 12-year-old girl. At least they left the 6-year-old uncuffed, but also didn’t allow anyone to comfort her. We should cut these officers some slack. They had no way of telling that these families were not actually runaway slaves. In all seriousness though, the INTENT of the stop and cuffing of the family was pretty clear. The intent was to frighten them, and to show them (and other black families) that they do not have freedom to travel around a country dominated by a superior race. Really, there is no other logical explanation for the behavior of the police in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/87 "2020-08-05T16:20:24Z")
This is a powerful opinion written by a Federal Judge criticizing qualified immunity for law enforcement officers. It’s long, but worth the read if you have any interest in Sec. 1983 litigation (or just justice generally) [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7013933-Jamison-v-McClendon.html?fbclid=IwAR2fmYXG1LAjJOCbTMAfJHGDNt-ifevYWwC\_hRfpMfsU3-dt\_fZeymZ\_gcA](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7013933-Jamison-v-McClendon.html?fbclid=IwAR2fmYXG1LAjJOCbTMAfJHGDNt-ifevYWwC_hRfpMfsU3-dt_fZeymZ_gcA) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/88 "2020-08-05T18:12:17Z")
Thank you very much for posting that, **Procrustus** ; “powerful” is a good word to describe it. I’ve saved a copy to my hard drive for further study and so I can share it with others who need to know more about “qualified immunity”. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/89 "2020-08-05T18:27:49Z")
The daily mail has leaked footage from the body cams in George Floyd’s death. It amazes me that Thin Blue Line crowd will defend things like approaching a suspect in a case of passing a counterfeit $20 bill with a gun pointed at his head, and held gangsta style while swearing like a tough guy, just to show some ‘professionalism’ no less. The guy is clearly terrified but not fighting, and says he’s claustrophobic and is clearly freaking out about the squad car. Why they don’t call for a van or some kind of psychiatric intervention at that point is beyond me - the guy hasn’t attempted to escape or fight, he’s just freaked out. When they decide that it’s time for choking to begin (which seems to be the only part other police openly criticize), they seem significantly more concerned about removing a pebble from the car tire than the human being who’s begging for his life while they choke him to death. And I wonder if any of the officers arresting Chauvin for his $20,000 theft from the state via tax fraud approached him with a gun pointed at his head? They’d be 1000x as justified in doing so as the murderers of George floyd were in approaching him over the counterfeit $20. [Police bodycam footage shows George Floyd arrest in detail | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576371/Police-bodycam-footage-shows-moment-moment-arrest-George-Floyd-time.html) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/90 "2020-08-07T13:21:04Z")
Hillsborough County, FL: > **[Hillsborough deputy acted properly in pointing gun at suspect, lawyer says](https://www.tampabay.com/news/hillsborough/2020/07/15/hillsborough-deputy-acted-properly-in-pointing-gun-at-suspect-lawyer-says/)** > > Witnesses will contradict the allegations against Sgt. Janak Amin, who was fired and arrested Friday, his attorney says. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/91 "2020-08-08T13:33:11Z")
I don’t know what it is about L.A., but it has always had some shady shit going on in its various police departments in the area. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/92 "2020-08-08T13:41:37Z")
Wow, just wow. This one takes the fucking cake: > **[A protester tried to ID a police officer on Twitter. Now he faces a felony —...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/07/black-lives-matter-tweet-police-felony/)** > > Kevin Alfaro and four people who retweeted the post have been charged with cyber harassment, a 4th degree felony with up to 18 months of incarceration and a $10,000 fine. So retweeting a call to out a police officer’s identity is now “felony cyber harassment” in NJ. GMAFB. I seriously doubt that the charges stand, but that’s not the point: this is going to have a chilling effect, which is what the American gestapo want. I have long held to the belief that you find scum in every profession and that police are no different, and that this fact doesn’t indict an entire profession. But the police have the same problem that the Catholic church has had. It has too much power to govern itself with little or no accountability. That is why people are advocating not just “reform” but blowing up the entire system. It’s easy to see why. If you look at the Catholic church, even long after they pledged to investigate and clean their house of pedophile priests, they didn’t; it required a massive outside intervention in the form of the law to expose the extent of the rot within the church and to demand change. That is what it will take to change policing in this country. Massive prosecutions, mass firings, and it might in some cases mean totally de-funding and de-chartering (or whatever we want to call it) police departments and rebuilding them anew. Reform itself won’t work. You have to wipe the foundation clean and start over. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/93 "2020-08-08T13:52:48Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Reform itself won’t work. You have to wipe the foundation clean and start over. Be careful what you wish for. Or at least understand that what you’re advocating there may be deeper than it seems at first glance. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/94 "2020-08-08T15:09:16Z")
In Colorado, If you are managing a City or County website that allows for you to look for properties based on last name, LEO’s of any stripe can request that you can not find their property by last name. You can still find the property if say you know the address. But owner name is blocked. I do understand this, as there are enough nutballs that would burn down someone’s house because they got a speeding ticket, or ruling you didn’t agree with. Still, I’m a bit uncomfortable with this. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/95 "2020-08-08T15:32:54Z")
If that were an option available to everyone, then I’d have no problem with that. There are people who are harassed for all manner of reason who would like to keep their address hidden. That this is something available is not controversial. That is is available only to LEO is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/96 "2020-08-08T15:43:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So retweeting a call to out a police officer’s identity is now “felony cyber harassment” in NJ. GMAFB. Police in some areas are no more than an organized criminal gang. I would not be surprised to see police in these areas attempt to turn into anonymous black hooded death squads spreading fear to “control” the population. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/97 "2020-08-08T18:01:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If that were an option available to everyone, then I’d have no problem with that. There are people who are harassed for all manner of reason who would like to keep their address hidden. > > That this is something available is not controversial. That is is available only to LEO is bullshit. These are my feelings too. Say you moved because the restraining order or whatever didn’t work. If you purchase (not rent) another house… Well, _there_ you are. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/98 "2020-08-09T01:15:55Z")
I’ll remind everyone: > [@Frank Wilhoit](#): > > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/99 "2020-08-10T00:34:38Z")
Amber Guyger is appealing her conviction: [https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/amber-guyger-botham-jean-appeal/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/amber-guyger-botham-jean-appeal/index.html) > [@](#): > > In the appeal, her lawyers said that “her mistaken belief negated the culpability for murder because although she intentionally and knowingly caused Jean’s death, she had the right to act in deadly force in self-defense since her belief that deadly force was immediately necessary was reasonable under the circumstances.” > [@](#): > > “After admitting her crime and asking Botham Jean’s family for mercy-- Guyger’s actions in filing this appeal reflect someone who is not repentant but instead was hoping to play on the families sympathies at the time that they were most vulnerable,” said the statement from S. Lee Merritt, attorney for the Jean Family. > [@](#): > > Merritt went on to say the appeal alleges Guyger “should have been allowed to murder Botham in ‘self defense’” because she thought she was inside her own apartment. But, “[the jury was instructed on self defense](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/us/botham-jean-amber-guyger-trial-monday/index.html)prior to deliberations and they properly rejected the defense and found Guyger guilty of murder one,” Merritt said. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/100 "2020-08-11T01:08:08Z")
Los Angeles: > **[LA sheriff concerned after deputies confront 3 Black teens](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/la-sheriff-concerned-after-deputies-confront-3-black-teens/2020/08/10/e6ac5fae-db5f-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html)** > > The Los Angeles County sheriff says he has concerns about tactics deputies used to detain three Black teenagers at gunpoint after the youths were threatened by a man holding a knife 3 minute video here: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyL0vHZzYxQ) I can’t find the original 11-minute video; sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/101 "2020-08-11T02:10:09Z")
Is that the same “concern” Susan Collins displays whenever she confronted with an Individual 1 action? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=6)