# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/982 "2021-03-13T16:47:01Z")
Hertz may not be the best choice for your next car rental > **[Exonerated after nearly 5 years, man sues Hertz over alibi documents](https://www.wlns.com/news/exonerated-after-nearly-5-years-man-sues-hertz-over-alibi-documents/)** > > Lansing, Mich. (WLNS) — After being locked up for 1,700 days, nearly 5 years, for a crime he did not commit Herbert Alford, 47, was exonerated in 2020. This after being falsely convicted of Mi… ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/983 "2021-03-13T19:39:41Z")
I hope the suit goes to trial (although I have no idea if it has anything like valid grounds) so that Hertz’ reasons for refusing to provide the receipt come to light. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/984 "2021-03-13T20:03:47Z")
He paid with a credit card. Shouldn’t his credit card company have a record of the charge, when and where? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/985 "2021-03-13T20:09:31Z")
the story includes > [@](#): > > Prosecutors have said that[Alford’s cell phone](https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=5904) records showed he was driving to the airport in the moments after the shooting, but that evidence was never introduced in the case. evidence of prosecutorial misconduct ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/986 "2021-03-13T20:17:50Z")
It’s also a sign that that he probably didn’t have a great lawyer, because they might have thought of getting the cell phone or credit card records. (And surely the security camera footage at the airport would have proven where he was?) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/987 "2021-03-13T20:27:54Z")
In an ideal world, the prosecutor would serve the remainder of his sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/988 "2021-03-13T20:33:40Z")
Prosecutors NEVER admit the guy was innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/989 "2021-03-13T21:48:39Z")
I’m not sure why but I think this belongs in this thread: > **[Kentucky Senate passes bill making it crime to taunt a police officer. It was...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-taunting-police-officer-soon-be-illegal-breonna-taylor-protests/)** > > It now goes to the GOP-dominated House. It was proposed in the wake of the protests over the Breonna Taylor shooting death. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/990 "2021-03-14T00:11:26Z")
On to the Supreme Court for 1st Amendment Smackdown! ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/991 "2021-03-14T01:08:00Z")
It’s deja vu all over again … The SC has spoken > **[CITY OF HOUSTON, TEXAS, Appellant, v. Raymond Wayne HILL.](https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/482/451)** > Although the preservation of liberty depends in part upon the maintenance of social order, the First Amendment requires that officers and municipalities respond with restraint in the face of verbal challenges to police action, since a certain amount of expressive disorder is inevitable in a society committed to individual freedom and must be protected if that freedom would survive. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/992 "2021-03-14T18:50:29Z")
In the past I would have felt confident that such a law wouldn’t survive first amendment scrutiny, but with this Supreme Court, who knows… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/993 "2021-03-14T20:18:43Z")
The court could rule that law enforcement is more important than speech rights. And, hello rabbithole. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/994 "2021-03-15T19:46:43Z")
Cops suck. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-ex-cops-accused-of-pretending-to-be-on-duty-taking-drugs-and-cash-from-suspects/ar-BB1eBOZf](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-ex-cops-accused-of-pretending-to-be-on-duty-taking-drugs-and-cash-from-suspects/ar-BB1eBOZf) Tatum and Huffaker allegedly began impersonating agents with the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), threatening to arrest their suspects and pocketing the items seized from the individuals they pulled over, almost a year after the interdiction team they had served shut down. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/995 "2021-03-15T20:00:16Z")
ACAB. (Have to add letters here because otherwise it won’t post) ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/996 "2021-03-15T20:50:05Z")
Or you could have just spelled it out for fucks sake, how many fewer keystrokes would that have been? Or are you afraid to say “all cops are bastards” out loud, so you have to whisper it with an acronym? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/997 "2021-03-15T22:11:19Z")
Even in England, where they can’t carry guns. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-woman-was-allegedly-killed-by-cop-on-walk-home-and-outrage-erupts-after-police-break-up-vigil/ar-BB1eBXyA?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-woman-was-allegedly-killed-by-cop-on-walk-home-and-outrage-erupts-after-police-break-up-vigil/ar-BB1eBXyA?li=BBnb7Kz) More proof that just because someone was given a badge doesn’t mean that they are not a racist, misogynist, thief, violent psychopath or murderer. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/998 "2021-03-15T22:24:12Z")
This murder has really kicked off a big conversation over here about how women have come to live with the fear of walking about at night or in isolated places, and how wrong it is that we seem to have accepted that. Rightly, women are shouting loudly about how things need change. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/999 "2021-03-16T09:55:26Z")
For the avoidance of doubt, the man in question has been arrested and charged but not yet tried and of course may not be convicted. UK law is very strict on contempt of court and trials have been derailed because of public statements asserting the accused’s guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1000 "2021-03-16T10:09:34Z")
There’s a lot of other nastiness assorted with this. 1. There was a public vigil for Sarah; the police were told by court it could be done lawfully if they engaged with the organisers to make it so; they refused to work with them; then they went in mob-handed and at a vigil for a murdered woman violently detained and [arrested peaceful women](https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-woman-arrested-at-vigil-says-she-was-terrified-as-officer-said-he-had-a-baton-12246664) 2. One woman at the even was flashed by a low-life - when she reported this to police at the event they [said they couldn’t be bothered](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56409023). ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1001 "2021-03-16T22:29:55Z")
This is one I hadn’t heard of before. > **[How a rural Colorado traffic stop left a man dead and a sheriff’s deputy...](https://coloradosun.com/2021/03/16/kiowa-county-zach-gifford-shooting-investigation/)** > > KIOWA COUNTY – Nearly a year has passed since a traffic stop ended with Undersheriff Tracy Weisenhorn and Deputy Quinten Stump shooting Zach Gifford, the unarmed passenger, in a nearby field, three bullets in his back. In the 11 months... _Attempted_ murder charges have been filed nearly a year after a shooting, in which two members of the sheriff’s department shot an unarmed man in the back, killing him. As of the time of this article, only one of the officers has been charged, even though the other one fired first. It is not known who fired the fatal shot, which is perhaps the reason for the attempted murder charge. The victim is white, and did have meth in his system. He was the passenger in a car pulled over for a traffic stop. Because they were “acting suspicious” they were taken out of the car and patted down. **No gun was found**. The victim attempted to run when a plastic bag was found in his pocket. He wrestled with the police for a few seconds, and then succeeded in running away. He was shot in the back as he fled. There is (still unreleased) video of the incident, but one of the officer’s body camera was allegedly knocked to the ground in the struggle, so it only has audio for the shooting (according to reports). For an added WTF, the victim was well liked in the small community, and the people there wanted to protest at the sheriff’s office. This was right around when George Floyd was killed, so nobody in the community demonstrated because they were worried people would think they were supporting BLM. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=51)