# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1002 "2021-03-16T22:47:34Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > This was right around when George Floyd was killed, so nobody in the community demonstrated because they were worried people would think they were supporting BLM. As long it happens to black people…it’s OK. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1003 "2021-03-17T01:59:34Z")
It might be helpful to understand where this happened. If you were in Kiowa County Colorado, you would not be able to see an actual mountain unless you climbed up on one of the grain elevators. This stop apparently happened on the main east-west road, a county road that appears to not be striped outside the town, about 20 some miles west of the Kansas border: the part of Colorado that is essentially indistinguishable from Kansas. Less than 1500 people live there, and it is a long way from much of anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1004 "2021-03-18T00:26:18Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-arrested-outside-vice-president-kamala-harris-official-residence-and-had-rifle-and-ammunition-in-car/ar-BB1eHdYS?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-arrested-outside-vice-president-kamala-harris-official-residence-and-had-rifle-and-ammunition-in-car/ar-BB1eHdYS?li=BBnb7Kz) Armed man looking to kill someone…arrested, not shot. Yep, it 's a white boy. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1005 "2021-03-18T02:15:28Z")
The spokesman for the Cherokee County Sheriff’s department, who said the guy who killed eight people yesterday was “having a bad day”, has posted anti- Asian tropes in the past. > **[Georgia Sheriff Spokesman Posted Racist COVID Shirts on Facebook](https://www.thedailybeast.com/georgia-sheriff-spokesman-jay-baker-posted-racist-covid-shirts-on-facebook)** > > Jay Baker incited outrage on Wednesday when he said the 21-year-old who admitted to murdering eight people at Asian massage parlors was having “a really bad day.” ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1006 "2021-03-18T06:47:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The spokesman for the Cherokee County Sheriff’s department, who said the guy who killed eight people yesterday was “having a bad day” That quote enrages me. The _killer_ had a “bad day”? Not the people who died? Not their families, loved ones and friends? Not their co-workers? The fucking killer is the “bad day” he empathizes with? The only way that quote happens is if the speaker doesn’t really see the victims as fully human. And definitely doesn’t see them as human as the murderer. Wonder why not? ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1007 "2021-03-18T07:30:09Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Armed man looking to kill someone…arrested, not shot. > > Yep, it 's a white boy. I am actually surprised I survived the insurrection. I watched everything from the beginning to end and was so furious about the racism my blood pressure went to stroke levels for a few hours and even smoking a bunch of high powered weed didn’t help because then I got pissed about the racism involving that. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1008 "2021-03-18T22:19:29Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/autopsy-reveals-casey-goodson-jr-black-man-killed-by-ohio-sheriffs-deputy-was-shot-five-times-from-behind/ar-BB1eJiPs?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/autopsy-reveals-casey-goodson-jr-black-man-killed-by-ohio-sheriffs-deputy-was-shot-five-times-from-behind/ar-BB1eJiPs?li=BBnb7Kz) > One witness heard Meade command the victim to drop his gun, and when he didn’t, the deputy shot him, Tobin said after the shooting. The family has said Goodson had a sandwich, not a gun, in his hand. Even if Goodson had been carrying a gun, the family reiterated, he had a license to do so. Shot him 5 times in the back. Must have been a very scary sandwich. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1009 "2021-03-19T15:06:02Z")
Only five times? Just imagine if it had been a cell phone or a wallet! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1010 "2021-03-20T09:36:22Z")
Remember the McGirt decision last year that affirmed that much of Oklahoma was tribal reservation and not US territory? > **[Manslaughter conviction of ex-Oklahoma officer overturned](https://apnews.com/article/shootings-tulsa-oklahoma-crime-courts-debe779c2cd61bc3349037db97d5dbda)** > > OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals on Thursday overturned the manslaughter conviction and 15-year prison sentence of a former Oklahoma police officer based on a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that much of eastern Oklahoma remains... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1011 "2021-03-20T09:42:23Z")
Tacoma, WA: > **[Pierce County sheriff confronted Black newspaper carrier](https://apnews.com/general-news-40de9ca637a765f808e8731a45f6caaf)** > > The sheriff of Pierce County, Washington, sparked a large police response in late January after confronting a Black newspaper carrier driving near his home, telling a 911 dispatcher the man “threatened to kill me.” > [@](#): > > The sheriff of Pierce County, Washington, sparked a large police response in late January after confronting a Black newspaper carrier driving near his home, telling a 911 dispatcher the man “threatened to kill me.” > > The Seattle Times [reports](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/black-newspaper-delivery-driver-detained-after-pierce-county-sheriff-claims-then-recants-threat-to-life/) that Sheriff Ed Troyer retracted that allegation upon questioning by Tacoma police. Following the newspaper’s report about the incident, elected officials in Pierce County and others on Friday called for an investigation. > > Troyer said he would be open to an independent investigation. “In 35 years, I have never had a complaint against me for racial bias,” he told the newspaper. > > The 24-year-old carrier, Sedrick Altheimer, said the early morning encounter on Jan. 27 left him afraid and angry at Troyer — who was driving an unmarked, personal SUV and didn’t identify himself as law enforcement. > [@](#): > > Troyer, who is white, said he did not racially profile Altheimer. He said he began following the carrier because he saw a driver he believed was behaving suspiciously in his neighborhood in Tacoma. > > “There is nothing to do with him being Black,” Troyer said. > > Troyer’s call to a 911 dispatcher, which came in shortly after 2 a.m., spurred an urgent countywide alert that sent more than 40 officers from multiple agencies rushing toward the scene, public records show. Most were called off after Tacoma police arrived. > > “I’m yelling ‘What are you guys here for? What am I doing wrong? You guys are trying to arrest a paper carrier!’ ” Altheimer said. > > Early on Jan. 27, Altheimer was working his regular delivery route in his Geo Prizm in Tacoma’s West End when, he said, he noticed a white SUV following him. > > “I’m throwing papers out the window, left and right, both windows are down,” Altheimer said. He said he didn’t know it was the county sheriff behind the wheel of the unmarked Chevy Tahoe. > > When a responding police officer asked Troyer whether he had been threatened, as his call to dispatchers repeatedly had claimed, the sheriff “advised that (Altheimer) never threatened him” and said he had seen no weapons. Still, Troyer said, he was sure that Altheimer “wanted to fight,” according to the police report. > > After conferring with Troyer and a Tacoma police sergeant, a responding police officer released Altheimer. > > “All he had to do is calmly say, ‘Hey, I am delivering newspapers,’ ” Troyer said. Sure… just respond calmly to over 40 amped up cops with their guns pointed at you, convinced you threatened to kill a fellow cop… that’s all you have to do is just be calm. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1012 "2021-03-20T12:07:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > “All he had to do is calmly say, ‘Hey, I am delivering newspapers,’ ” Troyer said. Because throwing papers out of the windows presumably meant he was littering? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1013 "2021-03-21T22:57:05Z")
I came to post that story. Unfuckingbelievable. What kind of dumbass follows someone throwing newspapers out their windows and doesn’t catch a fucking clue? This guy is far too stupid to be allowed to carry a gun. Who hired this dumbfuck? Oh wait, he is the elected sheriff? Sad state of affairs. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1014 "2021-03-21T23:48:23Z")
Cops suck. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/latino-man-who-escaped-atlanta-spa-shooting-handcuffed-for-two-hours-while-wife-died-inside/ar-BB1eOwmB?ocid=Peregrine&li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/latino-man-who-escaped-atlanta-spa-shooting-handcuffed-for-two-hours-while-wife-died-inside/ar-BB1eOwmB?ocid=Peregrine&li=BBnb7Kz) The handcuffed him because he was Latino. The shooter is white.They left him in handcuffs even though multiple people said he was who he says he was: > Others tried to tell the officers that González wasn’t lying about his identity but the cops didn’t seem to care. Someone who worked next door even recognized Mario González. “I know,” is all a police officer said when he was told that González’s wife was inside. He had to wait hours in handcuffs to find out his wife had been murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1015 "2021-03-22T15:26:52Z")
At first glance this story might not seem to meet the criteria for the thread, but I think it is a good fit: > **[Transphobia, hostility about protesters in private cop group](https://apnews.com/article/police-private-facebook-groups-hate-22355db9b0b7561ce91fa2ddfbcd2fc1)** > > PITTSBURGH (AP) — In a private Facebook group called the Pittsburgh Area Police Breakroom, many current and retired officers spent the year criticizing chiefs who took a knee or officers who marched with Black Lives Matter protesters, whom they... ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1016 "2021-03-22T16:16:29Z")
Remember [this story from Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/7/21293259/police-racism-violence-ideology-george-floyd) last year? It goes into why police are so hostile to civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1017 "2021-03-22T17:08:29Z")
I think it is more basic than that. Mrs. Cad went to court over an expired plate. Not really her fault (long story about not being able to get the title). The cop asked to question her. This was his question: What were you doing in **MY** town with an expired registration? He didn’t care about the answer because it was a matter out of our control (I was there to explain to the judge why we couldn’t register the car). He just wanted to show that **HE** controlled the city to the bitch that dared defied him by having an expired temp tag. So if has that power-complex over something that he should have excused (again not her fault) can you imagine how they are when someone (female or of-color especially) dares say they don’t have to show ID, or runs away from them, or swings a donut in their gereal direction? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1018 "2021-03-23T18:03:54Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-cop-who-bragged-about-killing-someone-assigned-to-community-safety-team/ar-BB1eT3vV](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-cop-who-bragged-about-killing-someone-assigned-to-community-safety-team/ar-BB1eT3vV) Seriously??? _This_ is the guy you want on that team? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1019 "2021-03-23T18:36:53Z")
Washington state sheriff calls for backup on black newspaper delivery man because he’s acting suspicious by delivering newspapers. > **[Washington State Sheriff Decides That Delivering Newspapers While Black Is a...](https://jezebel.com/washington-state-sheriff-decides-that-delivering-newspa-1846529999)** > > Sheriff Ed Troyer of Pierce County in Washington state has a lot of trouble knowing who is doing crime and who is delivering newspapers, according to a recent 911 call in which he reported a Black newspaper delivery person was threatening to “kill”... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1020 "2021-03-23T20:37:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > sheriff calls for backup on black newspaper delivery man [you have been ninja’d](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1011) – by several days ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1021 "2021-03-24T00:17:30Z")
Cops are dicks. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/police-chief-faked-marriage-annulment-papers-to-cover-up-triple-life-prosecutors/vi-BB1eQTvp](https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/police-chief-faked-marriage-annulment-papers-to-cover-up-triple-life-prosecutors/vi-BB1eQTvp) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=52)