# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1062 "2021-04-10T00:31:39Z")
> **[Cops Caught on Video Holding a Black Army Lieutenant at Gunpoint](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dm3m/cops-caught-on-video-holding-a-black-army-lieutenant-at-gunpoint-then-pepper-spraying-him)** > > When Lt. Caron Nazario said he was afraid to get out of the vehicle, one officer responded, “Yeah, you should be." This is too many kinds of fucked up. At one point, one of the [redacted] told Nazario that he was going to “ride the lightning” if he did not coöperate. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1063 "2021-04-10T01:40:16Z")
> **[Kentucky Law Limits Use Of No-Knock Warrants, A Year After Breonna Taylor's...](https://www.npr.org/2021/04/09/985804591/kentucky-law-limits-use-of-no-knock-warrants-a-year-after-breonna-taylors-killin?sc=ipad&f=1001)** > > Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear signed the partial ban on no-knock warrants at a ceremony on Friday as members of Taylor's family looked on. Looks like it is not water-tight, but nonetheless a positive move. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1064 "2021-04-10T02:22:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This is too many kinds of fucked up. At one point, one of the [redacted] told Nazario that he was going to “ride the lightning” if he did not coöperate. > The officers were not “willing or able to articulate why they had initiated the traffic stop,” according to the lawsuit. Because he was pulled over for being black in a too nice of a car. They had no real cause to believe a crime had even been committed. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1065 "2021-04-10T17:12:04Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This is too many kinds of fucked up. At one point, one of the [redacted] told Nazario that he was going to “ride the lightning” if he did not coöperate. [Here’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbktWRjzy7Q) the YT video for it. It’s very troubling. Those cops shouldn’t be cops. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1066 "2021-04-10T20:03:40Z")
“Both hands out the window!” “Open the door!” Conflicting orders, from the SAME cop. Somebody needs to actually be trained. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1067 "2021-04-10T20:10:29Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > “Both hands out the window!” > “Open the door!” And if he tried to unlock and open the door from the inside, they would shoot him and claim he was “reaching for something.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1068 "2021-04-10T20:46:14Z")
“Well, which is it, young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? Mean to say, if I freeze, I can’t rightly drop. And if I drop, I’m gonna be in motion.” (From the film _[Raising Arizona](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_Arizona)_) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1069 "2021-04-10T21:08:14Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Well, which is it, young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? The ground is mighty cold. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1070 "2021-04-11T01:51:04Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > And if he tried to unlock and open the door from the inside, they would shoot him and claim he was “reaching for something.” Straight out of the manual. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1071 "2021-04-11T15:25:55Z")
I wonder if police habitually bring along a second (untraced) gun along, so they can drop it beside a person they’ve just shot… Or is this just something that one sees on TV shows? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1072 "2021-04-11T17:44:33Z")
I doubt that the majority of police do so. But I even more strongly doubt that none do. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1073 "2021-04-11T18:14:06Z")
Why? [They can just drop their taser.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1074 "2021-04-11T19:24:21Z")
Apparently the [head of the Boston Patrolmans Union](https://lawandcrime.com/crime/police-union-president-now-charged-with-abusing-6-kids-kept-badge-despite-internal-affairs-determining-he-broke-law-in-1995-case/) is an utter piece of work who was known by IA to be a child molester (oh, his first victim recanted, apparently under duress) but he kept his badge, union leadership position, and even testified in a different child molestation case. This story is some massive ugly. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1075 "2021-04-11T21:18:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This is too many kinds of fucked up. At one point, one of the [redacted] told Nazario that he was going to “ride the lightning” if he did not coöperate. This is a very good example of why you should be afraid of the cops if you are black. They cannot articulate why they pull them over, but by god, we better get our guns out and start acting like this individual is a criminal that deserves this. Oh, and by the way, we now realize you didn’t do anything wrong so go on your way. WHAT THE FUCK!!! These two assholes better get fired and he better cash in on the lawsuit. If they want the public to start respecting law enforcement, quit acting like power-hungry fucking idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1076 "2021-04-12T03:40:08Z")
One of the cops involved in the Lieutenant Nazario incident has been fired. > **[Officer accused of force in stop of Black Army officer fired](https://apnews.com/article/ralph-northam-lawsuits-virginia-richmond-e3dea15f20e74cfc8664e0906ea7181e)** > > RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — One of two police officers accused of pepper-spraying and pointing their guns at a Black Army officer during a traffic stop has since been fired, a Virginia town announced late Sunday, hours after the governor called for an... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1077 "2021-04-12T13:24:32Z")
Minnesota again: > **[Police: Minnesota officer meant to draw Taser, not handgun](https://apnews.com/article/daunte-wright-minnesota-police-shooting-1ad1b12b77f35f9fa01e680b73add7d5)** > > BROOKLYN CENTER, Minn. (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a Black man during a traffic stop in a Minneapolis suburb apparently ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1078 "2021-04-12T13:55:29Z")
Texas, altho it involves the federal government: > **[Truck seized over 'munitions of war,' 5 forgotten bullets](https://apnews.com/article/politics-lawsuits-us-supreme-court-courts-laws-f550e0e8b5321b2431e4332b3e382f6c)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — Gerardo Serrano ticked off the border crossing agents by taking some photos on his phone... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1079 "2021-04-12T15:34:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Texas, altho it involves the federal government Imagine if you got a job with the federal government and they told you “We’re sending you to Texas.” I know that would probably put me in a perpetual snit. The story, though, is about Civil Asset Forfeiture, which we have been over once or twice. You may be innocent until proven guilty, but your stuff is always guilty of something or the other unless you can prove otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1080 "2021-04-12T16:21:17Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Imagine if you got a job with the federal government and they told you “We’re sending you to Texas.” I know that would probably put me in a perpetual snit. Or worse. We don’t have to imagine, tho. Here’s a first-hand account from a lady who was hired as a diplomat stationed in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico: [https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/30/black-us-diplomat-customs-border-protection-cbp-detained-harassed-325676](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/30/black-us-diplomat-customs-border-protection-cbp-detained-harassed-325676) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1081 "2021-04-12T17:44:03Z")
The officer who shot Wright has stated that he meant to pull out his taser, not his handgun. Whoopsie! Cite: [Police: Minnesota officer meant to draw Taser, not handgun | AP News](https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/04/12/police-minnesota-officer-meant-to-draw-taser-not-handgun/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=55)