# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1202 "2021-04-14T18:01:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Does this information exonerate that officer in any way, shape or form? Is it o.k. to be dangerously reckless with deadly weapons if the person killed “deserves” it in your opinion? Not one iota. She is 100% responsible for careless use of force causing the unjustified death. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1203 "2021-04-14T18:02:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > As a fabulously privileged white person I am very willing to admit that the temptation to do a rabbit from the cops to escape arrest would absolutely cross my mind under similar circumstance Because “pulled over for being white” is a common problem for Caucasians, right? Know when to put the shovel down, dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1204 "2021-04-14T18:05:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Hmm, I wonder if that young black man had a legitimate reason to fear interacting with police officers.” > > …said a million ignorant, privileged white people who are comfortable with the status quo. Is this just for posterity, pomposity, or are you addressing something you believe I said about maintaining the current status quo in policing? Asking for my horse… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1205 "2021-04-14T18:10:36Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Fortunately you don’t have to. He had an outstanding warrant for arrest. The decision isn’t yours to make. Nor the cop’s for that matter. Please point out in all of the videos that have appeared in the case, did a police officer ever once mention a warrant. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1206 "2021-04-14T18:14:40Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Please point out in all of the videos that have appeared in the case, did a police officer ever once mention a warrant. I’m afraid I can’t. Nor can you provide a cite that it wasn’t mentioned. We just don’t know. But if I’m being cuffed for a set expired tags, I would be asking myself whether that warrant I received April 2 has something to do with my current predicament. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1207 "2021-04-14T18:14:42Z")
Cop shows up during an incident of harassment at Minneapolis airport and immediately attempts to detain the black woman who was being harassed instead of the white woman who was doing the harassment. [https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/video-officer-at-msp-airport-briefly-detains-black-woman-being-harassed-by-white-woman](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/video-officer-at-msp-airport-briefly-detains-black-woman-being-harassed-by-white-woman) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1208 "2021-04-14T18:16:16Z")
Oh, BTW, Kim Potter is going to be charged with manslaughter. > **[The Minnesota officer who killed Daunte Wright was charged with manslaughter....](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/kim-potter-charged-daunte-wright.html)** > > Kimberly A. Potter, who resigned from the Brooklyn Center Police Department, was arrested on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1209 "2021-04-14T18:21:24Z")
Fixed link: [Video: Officer at MSP Airport briefly detains Black woman who is being harassed by white woman | kare11.com](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/video-officer-at-msp-airport-briefly-detains-black-woman-being-harassed-by-white-woman/89-effb39f7-a486-4fdb-9205-31da56208306) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1210 "2021-04-14T18:25:54Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > As a fabulously privileged white person I am very willing to admit that the temptation to do a rabbit from the cops to escape arrest would absolutely cross my mind under similar circumstance. It’s not that – it’s that you feel comfortable passing judgment on the feelings a young black person could/should have when interacting with the police. The warrant doesn’t matter. Black people, and especially black men ages 15-50, have a very legitimate reason to be terrified when interacting with police, warrant or not. Do you disagree? If you agree, then you can’t possibly reasonably pass any negative judgment on Wright for attempting to flee. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1211 "2021-04-14T18:32:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The warrant doesn’t matter. Black people, and especially black men ages 15-50, have a very legitimate reason to be terrified when interacting with police, warrant or not. Do you disagree? If you agree, then you can’t possibly reasonably pass any negative judgment on Wright for attempting to flee. This line of thought is preposterous. I agree that young black men have more reason to fear the police. So, it would behoove them to take extra caution around police and not run, not drive away and not pull away and jump into a car at the very moment handcuffs are being applied. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1212 "2021-04-14T18:37:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The warrant doesn’t matter. Black people, and especially black men ages 15-50, have a very legitimate reason to be terrified when interacting with police, warrant or not. Do you disagree? If you agree, then you can’t possibly reasonably pass any negative judgment on Wright for attempting to flee. Black people, especially men ages 15-50 (hell even younger, FFS, e.g. Tamir Rice) have legitimate reason to fear interactions with police. And yet I also believe that warrants do matter. As does escalation under otherwise non-threatening circumstance. Now, if we learn that Kim Potter threatened or intimidated Daunte Wright in some way, then yeah, an attempt to flee makes much more sense and the entire context changes. See, I don’t think it is helpful to conflate the very real institutional issues of racism in policing with every single interaction between a police officer and black male. We have no reason to conclude that this incident was racially motivated or that the officer acted out of racial animus towards the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1213 "2021-04-14T18:38:21Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > So, it would behoove them to take extra caution around police Maybe the police should approach young black men with more respect and deference, since the police are the ones who have been abusive towards them for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1214 "2021-04-14T18:38:36Z")
Yes, they should remain calm and polite, like Philando Castile. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1215 "2021-04-14T18:49:36Z")
Ever been in mortal terror? Why would you expect superb and perfect discipline and clear-headedness from teens and 20 year olds experiencing mortal terror? This expectation is part of this broken system and broken culture. Black people aren’t superhuman. They have the same human feelings and foibles as everyone else. When humans are in terror, they sometimes attempt to flee or resist. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1216 "2021-04-14T18:52:20Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > There is one thing and one thing only that will change right now: convictions and hard time in prison. That is it. That’s what’s riding on the outcome of cases like Chauvin’s and others. Money might do it, too. If police officers were likely to be personally sued into oblivion when they pulled this (goodbye house, cars, college education for your children, pension? hah!, credit scores for the next 7 years) and banned from any hope of a job with any kind of law enforcement ever (because hiring them would mean a drastic increase in insurance premiums and automatic double damages for an incident with an officer who had lost previous lawsuits). They’d probably feel less “threatened” less often. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1217 "2021-04-14T18:59:29Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > See, I don’t think it is helpful to conflate the very real institutional issues of racism in policing with every single interaction between a police officer and black male. We have no reason to conclude that this incident was racially motivated or that the officer acted out of racial animus towards the victim. There’s much, much more to this broken, racist system than the possibility of “racially motivated” behavior or “racial animus towards the victim”. That’s just a piece of this problem. We could eliminate every shred of personal racial animus in every single cop and that would only eliminate a fraction of this problem. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1218 "2021-04-14T19:47:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There’s much, much more to this broken, racist system than the possibility of “racially motivated” behavior or “racial animus towards the victim”. That’s just a piece of this problem. We could eliminate every shred of personal racial animus in every single cop and that would only eliminate a fraction of this problem. _A journey of a thousand miles…_ Look, racism is not just a justice system problem, or just an American society problem. It’s a human species problem. Would you like to fix things that can be fixed, one step at a time, with some reasonable expectation of measurable success, or would you like to pull the life support on the entire human race and hope the next dominant species has better luck? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1219 "2021-04-14T20:12:12Z")
Kim Potter is being charged with Manslaughter: > **[Former police officer Kim Potter facing manslaughter charge in shooting of...](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/14/daunte-wright-shooting-former-police-officer-kim-potter-will-be-charged-with-manslaughter.html)** > > The shooting of Daunte Wright by Police Officer Kim Potter occurred during the Minneapolis murder trial of ex-cop Derek Chauvin for killing George Floyd. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1220 "2021-04-14T20:19:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I think that many join the force because they want to engage in hyper-aggression, and look for any excuse to do so. Agree. And this is why “more training” won’t solve anything. The problem is _ **not** _ that these cops do not understand proper procedure and protocol. The problem is that they _ **don’t care** _ despite knowing it. “More training” won’t solve this problem. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1221 "2021-04-14T20:19:43Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Yes, they should remain calm and polite, like Philando Castile. Or, much more recently, that army captain who got sprayed right in the face with mace, pulled out of the car, and sustained blows to his legs and knees. Oh, and his military career was also threatened. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=62)