# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1244 "2021-04-15T12:48:31Z")
You actually have no idea what I think about policing in America. Not because I’ve kept it from you but because you have no interest in reading or responding to anything that doesn’t invoke outrage & histrionics. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1245 "2021-04-15T12:49:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > This is from last year, but the video has just gone viral. > A white cop pulled a black guy over for driving 65 in a 70 zone, and he said he was just pulling him over to check that he was doing okay. The full encounter is shown on the Audit the Audit channel, with commentary: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Gy8IUeyqDkA/maxresdefault.jpg "Pulled Over For Going Below The Speed Limit") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy8IUeyqDkA) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1246 "2021-04-15T12:59:58Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You actually have no idea what I think about policing in America. …I’ve been reading your posts in this thread. And they reveal an awful lot about your thoughts on policing in America and how you think racism is not just a justice system problem, or just an American society problem and that somehow means that what we are talking about here is something that Americans alone don’t have to fix. And I imagine that you think that policing in America could be fixed by fixing things that can be fixed, one step at a time, with some reasonable expectation of measurable success. I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1247 "2021-04-15T13:02:17Z")
Man, that stop is bullshit. And, kudos to the driver for maintaining his cool in the face of utter incompetence on the part of the sheriff. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1248 "2021-04-15T13:06:18Z")
This looks like gobbledygook. I’m not sure what I said that you’re disputing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1249 "2021-04-15T13:15:56Z")
I was specifically addressing the Daunte Wright incident. You keep wanting to turn it into a conversation about the entire American Justice system. I got tired of your constant distracting generalizations and decided to illustrate to you how general we can get about the topic of racism. In summary, I out-gobbledygooked you. Your move. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1250 "2021-04-15T13:16:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And I imagine that you think that policing in America could be fixed by fixing things that can be fixed, one step at a time, with some reasonable expectation of measurable success. > > I disagree. With what exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1251 "2021-04-15T13:18:52Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In summary, I out-gobbledygooked you. Your move. “I am more full of shit than you!” Congratulations. You win. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1252 "2021-04-15T13:20:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “I am more full of shit than you!” > Congratulations. You win. Is there no beginning to the value you contribute to any given conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1253 "2021-04-15T13:24:11Z")
When it comes to supplying “gobbledygook”, I cannot compete with you, alas. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1254 "2021-04-15T13:27:29Z")
Modesty doesn’t suit you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1255 "2021-04-15T13:29:14Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Modesty doesn’t suit you No, _you!_ I win, yay!! ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1256 "2021-04-15T13:32:38Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > With what exactly? …did you not read my post? Did you not read what I just wrote? Did you not read what @Cervaise just said? For decades black people have been trying to fix things that can be fixed, one step at a time, over and over again. And yet this is where we are at. Part of the problem is that you aren’t seeing the problem. Part of the problem is that you have 17,000 police agencies, from City Police to State and Highway Police to County Sheriff’s to the Feds. Part of the problem is that over the last year we have watched as the police have deliberately targeted journalists with everything from pepper balls to riot shields and on almost every occasion they have gotten away with it. You’ve got a completely broken system that feeds into the industrial prison complex that is jailing black people and people of colour in numbers so large that you are **leading the world**. There is no fixing this “one step of at a time.” Because you have 17,000 different agencies and if you mangage to somehow reform one you’ve got 16,999 more to go, and those reforms can be flipped with a change in political party or even the election of a new police chief. Because you have police unions that protect bad actors, because you have police officers that enjoy playing soldier and because you’ve got an entire political party that will protect them at any cost. The entire system is broken. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > I was specifically addressing the Daunte Wright incident. It doesn’t work that way. Even if Wright managed to survive his encounter with police here he was already in the pipeline to eventually be spending a long time in jail. Because that’s how the system works. You can’t ignore the greater context. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1257 "2021-04-15T13:46:40Z")
You know what I love? I love people who come along and describe in painful detail the problems that almost all reasonable people already know exist and need fixing. The trouble is you and others like you are completely incapable of offering any solution that doesn’t start with, ‘First, let’s chuck it all in the bin!’ The trouble is, that’s the extent of your _helpful_ advice. Fuck that noise. The only way to fix what’s broken is a step at a time because that is how you solve big complex problems - by breaking them up into smaller, more manageable problems. In a country as large and complex as the US, that is done through iterative changes, not by histrionic shouting about the blindingly fucking obvious. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1258 "2021-04-15T13:52:44Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Even if Wright managed to survive his encounter with police here he was already in the pipeline to eventually be spending a long time in jail. Because that’s how the system works. Wright had a warrant for his arrest for attempted robbery, assault and possession of an unlicensed firearm. The system didn’t make him commit that crime. The system sent him a summons to appear in court which he ignored. The system is not to blame for his decision to attempt to evade arrest for the second time. That said, he did not deserve to be shot and killed. The cop is 100% responsible for his wrongful death. Do you see how it’s possible to hold both parties accountable for the tragic circumstances & outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1259 "2021-04-15T13:54:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Do you see how it’s possible to hold both parties accountable for the tragic circumstances? Only one party was responsible for the actions of that police officer. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1260 "2021-04-15T13:55:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Only one party was responsible for the actions of that police officer. Did I say otherwise? What part of “cop is 100% responsible for his wrongful death” do you take exception with? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1261 "2021-04-15T13:57:01Z")
Yes, you said otherwise: > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Do you see how it’s possible to hold both parties accountable for the tragic circumstances & outcome? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1262 "2021-04-15T13:58:10Z")
You are a tiresome idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1263 "2021-04-15T13:59:55Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The only way to fix what’s broken is a step at a time Step 0 is believing there is a problem, and we don’t really even have that yet. Step 1/2 is going to be figuring out how to reduce Steps 1 - 17,000 to a manageable number of steps, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=64)