# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1926 "2021-07-13T00:16:37Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > rabble-rousing Jesus? Socialist. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1927 "2021-07-13T15:02:50Z")
Apparently carrying a gun, being nearly immune from criminal and civil legal proceedings and having half the country fawn over your every move isn’t enough. According to a police department in Utah, officers also need to be treated as a protected class, and that those that protest them should be arrested for hate crimes. [Woman Facing Year in Jail for Smirking, Stomping 'Back the Blue' Sign](https://www.newsweek.com/woman-facing-year-jail-smirking-stomping-back-blue-sign-1608599) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1928 "2021-07-13T18:16:54Z")
Five cops in Palo Alto, California are suing the city because they are forced to walk past a mural to get to city hall. The mural has a memorial to a woman shot by cops, and says Black Lives Matter > **[California Police Officers Sue City, Claim Being 'Forced' to Walk Past Street...](https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/07/12/california-police-officers-sue-city-claim-being-forced-to-walk-past-street-mural-of-assata-shakur-violated-their-rights-caused-them-distress/)** > > Five police officers in Palo Alto, California, filed a lawsuit on July 8 against the Silicon Valley city over a Black Lives Matter mural containing an ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1929 "2021-07-13T22:42:17Z")
Snowboarder\_Bo posted about that on the 10th. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1930 "2021-07-14T16:59:29Z")
Sone of a bitch should have gotten life. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-cop-sentenced-to-12-years-in-prison-for-planting-drugs/ar-AAM7E28?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-cop-sentenced-to-12-years-in-prison-for-planting-drugs/ar-AAM7E28?li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1931 "2021-07-14T23:06:08Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ex-officer-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison-for-beating-his-black-undercover-colleague-at-a-protest/ar-AAMa7iM?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ex-officer-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison-for-beating-his-black-undercover-colleague-at-a-protest/ar-AAMa7iM?li=BBnb7Kz) > “I am a good person, but I made a mistake," he said. No, you’re really not. And you did not make a mistake. You committed an assault and battery. And if it had not been on another cop, we would never have heard about and you would still think of yourself as the right side of Law and Order. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1932 "2021-07-14T23:24:42Z")
The Chicago Justice Project [just released a report on FOP president John Catanzara.](https://chicagojustice.org/2021/07/13/john-catanzara-misconduct-social-media/) And it’s not a pretty picture. > John Catanzara, the current president of Chicago’s police union, has been an officer for the Chicago Police Department since January 1995. Catanzara has been suspended from the CPD and stripped of pay since February 2021 while he is under investigative review for allegedly falsifying police reports. Additionally, COPA has recommended his firing for a slew of racist and offensive social media posts. Despite his potential firing, the Fraternal Order of Police’s constitution may still allow him to hold the role of president … However, given that Catanzara is still even a member despite his violation of multiple membership requirements it is unclear if constitutionality is an issue to the FOP. > From an analysis of misconduct complaints against Catanzara from 1995 to 2018, we have found a sheer volume of allegations that are absolutely inappropriate for any person who holds a position of power in the CPD. Of the 26 years Catanzara has been an officer, there have been only 6 years in which he received no complaints. The most complaints he has received in a single year is 7 in 2003. He has been named in 50 misconduct complaints total and has been suspended 8 times for a total of 131 days. This excludes his current suspension of 153 days and counting. According to the Invisible Institute’s Citizens Police Data Project, Catanzara has more complaints per year of service than 96% of his fellow CPD officers ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1933 "2021-07-15T02:41:54Z")
Woman arrested for a hate crime for stepping on a “Back the Blue” pro-police sign and crumpling it up. > **[Woman charged with hate crime for stepping on pro-police 'Back the Blue' sign...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1273997)** > > Lauren Gibson said she didn't do anything wrong: "If it was a dentist's sign ... and I just crushed a dentist sign ... nothing would have happened." ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1934 "2021-07-15T14:34:42Z")
I hope this ends up costing the department. Its blatantly an attempt to punish someone for daring to disagree with police conduct. Its the exact behavior that happens at least once a year when a cop arrests someone for flipping them the bird, or honking at them. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1935 "2021-07-15T15:06:12Z")
What’s that they say about a fish stinking from the head? This seems to be a good example, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1936 "2021-07-15T15:59:31Z")
Denver: > **[Document: Officer used Taser on 75-year-old without warning](https://apnews.com/article/jared-polis-michael-clark-09064e1e105f0d5f4d47b0d047b91ff5)** > > DENVER (AP) — A police officer in Colorado used a Taser on a 75-year-old man without warning less than a minute after he answered the door holding what authorities described as a sword-like weapon, which he had put down before being shocked,... > [@](#): > > Within about 10 seconds of opening the door, Clark put the weapon, which his attorney said was the bill of a sawfish, on top of a shelf but refused repeated commands to “get down” and “get out here.” Clark said, “No,” and tried to talk about how noisy his neighbors had been when Hanning used his Taser, the affidavit said. Clark fell down and hit a chair. > > Hanning told a paramedic who arrived that he also kicked Clark in the knee and punched him in the back of the head, the document said. > > Clark is still in the hospital six weeks later after the Taser shock set off a cascade of health problems, including a stroke, a burst appendix and hearing complications, said Clark’s lawyer, Sarah Schielke. > > “He is hanging on but not out of the woods,” she said. > > Schielke said Clark did not assault his neighbor and that evidence would show there were “multiple red flags” that should have tipped off police not to believe the allegation. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1937 "2021-07-16T00:48:22Z")
Surely everyone realizes it’s very hard to distinguish between a handgun and a cell phone? > **[Spotsylvania deputy indicted on felony charge in shooting of Isiah Brown](https://fredericksburg.com/news/crime_courts/spotsylvania-deputy-indicted-on-felony-charge-in-shooting-of-isiah-brown/article_cf895905-0d8c-5c60-8c06-e0d1ab31d325.html)** > > A Spotsylvania deputy was indicted on a felony charge Thursday in connection with the shooting of county resident Isiah Brown earlier this year. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1938 "2021-07-17T02:50:24Z")
NYPD swarm and taze a Black subway passenger for supposedly letting someone on without a token: [NYPD Uses Stun Gun on Black Subway Passenger After Fare Dispute (theroot.com)](https://www.theroot.com/nypd-officers-swarm-and-tase-black-man-on-subway-after-1847309132) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1939 "2021-07-17T12:50:19Z")
Are passengers required to monitor fare payments? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1940 "2021-07-18T13:06:06Z")
A Louisiana update: > **[Report: Black man's killing by Louisiana police justified](https://apnews.com/article/police-shootings-louisiana-83dcfe07fcfb0874ee4d5d55ff128ae4)** > > BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — State police have released a report saying officers in a south Louisiana city police department were justified in last year's fatal shooting of a Black man whose death has prompted a federal lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1941 "2021-07-18T13:16:10Z")
The police report noted that “After taking a careful melanin measurement of the deceased, and noting that the incident occurred on a day ending in the letter ‘y’, we determined that no laws were broken.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1942 "2021-07-18T13:19:32Z")
ikr Look at how fucked up a place America is, just going by that headline. Every racist that sees it is going to interpret that the justification was that he was black. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1943 "2021-07-18T18:12:27Z")
Cop engaged in child porn: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-sergeant-accused-of-making-child-porn-lustful-touching-after-the-fbi-put-his-picture-on-wanted-poster/ar-AAMgyoy](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-sergeant-accused-of-making-child-porn-lustful-touching-after-the-fbi-put-his-picture-on-wanted-poster/ar-AAMgyoy) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1944 "2021-07-19T21:31:35Z")
Bad people are drawn to being cops [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-el-salvadoran-policeman-accused-of-having-dozens-of-bodies-buried-around-house-of-horrors-residence/ar-AAMkCVg?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-el-salvadoran-policeman-accused-of-having-dozens-of-bodies-buried-around-house-of-horrors-residence/ar-AAMkCVg?li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1945 "2021-07-20T19:37:43Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-s-corrupt-sgt-watts-went-to-prison-88-people-he-arrested-now-demand-exoneration/ar-AAMjsvd](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-s-corrupt-sgt-watts-went-to-prison-88-people-he-arrested-now-demand-exoneration/ar-AAMjsvd) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=98)