# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1966 "2021-07-26T02:46:24Z")
Is there video evidence supporting their version? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1967 "2021-07-26T03:20:06Z")
[Yes](https://www.wbay.com/2021/07/25/body-camera-video-released-response-social-media-post-claiming-police-planted-evidence/) Including body cam of the guy who threw it in the car. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1968 "2021-07-26T09:36:59Z")
Great. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1969 "2021-07-27T14:17:35Z")
Do prison guards count as law enforcement? If so, then please enjoy this lovely story about KKK members running amuck in the corrections system. > **[Inside a KKK murder plot: Grab him up, take him to the river](https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-only-on-ap-2b4106de3ebcbfae85948439a7056031)** > > PALATKA, Fla. (AP) — Joseph Moore breathed heavily, his face slick with nervous sweat. He held a cellphone with a photo of a man splayed on the floor; the man appeared dead, his shirt torn apart and his pants wet. Bonus, it comes with a side order of “police unions block attempts by states to keep track of officers identified as white-power extremists.” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1970 "2021-07-27T22:36:18Z")
Early stages, still, but this one shows some real promise: > **[2 Colorado officers arrested after 1 hits suspect with gun](https://news.yahoo.com/2-colorado-officers-under-investigation-180717538.html)** > > A Colorado police officer has been arrested after video showed him using his pistol to beat a man he was trying to take into custody, choking him and threatening to kill him, while another officer was accused of failing to stop her colleague as... > A Colorado police officer has been arrested on felony charges after a video showed him using his pistol to beat a man he was attempting to arrest, choking him and threatening to kill him, and a second officer was also arrested after authorities say she failed to stop her colleague as required by a new police accountability law. > The man repeatedly says “You’re killing me, bro," as Aurora police Officer John Haubert holds him down and strikes him, the video shows. > “If you move, I will shoot you,” Haubert says. The officer says repeatedly “Stop fighting,” as the man cries and gasps for air. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1971 "2021-07-28T01:04:15Z")
And another one: > ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1972 "2021-07-28T01:22:54Z")
It’s always fucking Aurora. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1973 "2021-07-28T20:44:54Z")
Wisconsin: > **[Judge finds probable cause to charge Wisconsin cop in death](https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-shootings-9194316f957c2aeadd412c30d10aeed6)** > > MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A Wisconsin judge on Wednesday found probable cause to charge a police officer in the 2016 slaying of a Black man who was sitting in a parked car, taking the rare step of overruling prosecutors years after they declined to charge... When the first of these threads began, seeing headlines like that were barely imaginable. I won’t say we’ve come a long way, yet, but I do think we’ve at least got the front bumper of the car out of the garage. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1974 "2021-07-28T21:27:24Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/miss-police-officer-killed-woman-after-she-ended-relationship-with-him-threatened-to-tell-his-wife/ar-AAMFI26?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/miss-police-officer-killed-woman-after-she-ended-relationship-with-him-threatened-to-tell-his-wife/ar-AAMFI26?li=BBnb7Kz) You would think that as a cop and good white Christian boy that he would know lying, infidelity and murder were wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1975 "2021-07-29T02:36:51Z")
There is so much wrong with this officer and the scenes in this 5 minute news video, I don’t know where to start. A national database of law enforcement personnel MUST be created! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1y6gWmQ_wnA/maxresdefault.jpg "Police officer resigns amid questions about work history") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6gWmQ_wnA) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1976 "2021-07-29T03:23:19Z")
Did we note this one? I don’t recall seeing it before. > **[Former Illinois state trooper sues Minnesota State Patrol over 'humiliating,...](https://abc7chicago.com/george-floyd-death-michael-cooper-illinois-state-trooper-arrest/10730258/)** > > Former Illinois State Police trooper Michael Cooper believes the only thing that prompted his arrest by Minnesota state officers was the color of his skin. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1977 "2021-07-29T23:57:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > There is so much wrong with this officer and the scenes in this 5 minute news video, I don’t know where to start. It is a troubling reality that some go into law enforcement just to wield power over others. This is the poster child. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1978 "2021-07-31T09:47:31Z")
> Pineville police shot man who put down gun and ‘did what I was told to do,’ lawsuit says [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/pineville-police-shot-man-who-put-down-gun-and-did-what-i-was-told-to-do-lawsuit-says/ar-AAMLBL](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/pineville-police-shot-man-who-put-down-gun-and-did-what-i-was-told-to-do-lawsuit-says/ar-AAMLBL) Probably he didn’t do it fast enough. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1979 "2021-07-31T13:33:55Z")
Link didn’t work for me. > **[Pineville police shot man who put down gun and ‘did what I was told to do,’...](https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article253139008.html)** > > Charges were dropped quickly against Timothy Caraway, the man on the ground, for insufficient evidence, a court filing shows. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1980 "2021-07-31T13:56:05Z")
Try > **[Pineville police shot man who put down gun and ‘did what I was told to do,’...](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article253139008.html)** > > Charges were dropped quickly against Timothy Caraway, the man on the ground, for insufficient evidence, a court filing shows. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1981 "2021-07-31T17:54:44Z")
I think fed legislation that requires this kind of registry would go a loooong way in dealing with some of these problems. We could leave it up to states and cities to determine how to use that registry, but it would probably make lawsuits against departments/cities a bit easier, which would hopefully, in turn, force local governments and agencies to clean up their acts. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1982 "2021-08-01T14:10:35Z")
I highly recommend this Washington Post article: > **[Police shootings continue daily, despite a pandemic, protests and pushes for...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/police-shootings-since-2015/)** > > Despite reforms, on-duty police officers have fatally shot more than 6,000 people since The Washington Post began tracking such shootings in 2015. The circumstances range from what experts deem unavoidable to what prosecutors consider criminal and... ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1983 "2021-08-01T17:52:50Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Pineville police shot man who put down gun and ‘did what I was told to do,’ lawsuit says Why are cops using military looking rifles in stead of handguns? ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1984 "2021-08-01T21:37:46Z")
We have the [Law Enforcement Support Office](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Support_Office) to thank for that. > The Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO) is a division of DLA Disposition Services, a subordinate command of the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) in the United States. LESO is responsible for operating the 1033 Program or LESO Program, which transfers excess military equipment to civilian law enforcement agencies. The program legally requires the Department of Defense (DOD) to make various items of equipment available to local law enforcement.[1] The modern program arose during the H. W. Bush administration, in Section 1208 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Years 1990 and 1991,[a] which allowed surplus DOD equipment, weapons, and tactical vehicles to be transferred to law enforcement for use in drug enforcement.[2] ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1985 "2021-08-02T12:48:05Z")
I would be very surprised if the majority of police rifles were military surplus. I imagine the police use “military-looking” rifles because that’s what modern rifles look like. Rifles and handguns have different uses, but both are deadly. The aesthetics do not make the rifle more deadly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=100)