# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3370
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3370 "2023-03-02T19:05:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > “We already assessed her, she’s fine.” …that isn’t how it would have worked. They couldn’t have “assessed her”. Because what the video shows is a clear _deterioration_ in her condition. At the start of the video her speech seems quite clear. But about a minute into the video, her speech is obviously both audibly and visually slurred. > **[Stroke - Symptoms and causes](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/stroke/symptoms-causes/syc-20350113)** > > Promptly spotting stroke symptoms leads to faster treatment and less damage to the brain. > [@Mayo Clinic](#): > > - **Trouble speaking and understanding what others are saying.** You may experience confusion, slur words or have difficulty understanding speech. > - **Paralysis or numbness of the face, arm or leg.** You may develop sudden numbness, weakness or paralysis in the face, arm or leg. > > … > > - **Trouble walking.** You may stumble or lose your balance. You may also have sudden dizziness or a loss of coordination. I’m seeing signs of all of those things. Things that weren’t happening at the start of the video. Things had _changed_. The hospital may have already assessed her. And at the time she may have been fine. But I don’t think that there would be a triage nurse on the planet who, after being informed by a police officer that a person who was speaking perfectly fine one minute but was now slurring their speech, struggling to breath, and couldn’t stand up, would respond with “We already assessed her, she’s fine.” And the thing is we will never ever be able to confirm how the hospital would have reacted here. Because the police didn’t even bother to contact them. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Are you saying that cops should think that their medical opinion is better than that of medical professionals? The cops had new information that _the medical professionals didn’t have_. So what I’m saying is that the cops should have shared that information with the hospital. Because: > [@Mayo](#): > > **Seek immediate medical attention** if you notice any signs or symptoms of a stroke, even if they seem to come and go or they disappear completely. Think “FAST” and do the following: > > - **Face.** Ask the person to smile. Does one side of the face droop? > - **Arms.** Ask the person to raise both arms. Does one arm drift downward? Or is one arm unable to rise? > - **Speech.** Ask the person to repeat a simple phrase. Is his or her speech slurred or strange? > - **Time.** If you observe any of these signs, call 911 or emergency medical help immediately. > > Call 911 or your local emergency number right away. Don’t wait to see if symptoms stop. **Every minute counts. The longer a stroke goes untreated, the greater the potential for brain damage and disability.** The police didn’t do any of these things. The signs were all there. They didn’t “think fast.” They didn’t notice the deterioration. Instead they berated her because they were missing their coffee and oatmeal. My mum had a stroke many years ago before she passed. The doctors said that the only thing that saved her was the fact that she went immediately to the A & E (she worked in the hospital, so fortunately it was only a few minutes walk) , and they started treatment right away. Early treatment makes all the difference. She was in their custody. She died on their watch. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > If so, you must also think it should also go the other way, where a doctor says someone’s having a stroke, but the cop, in their medical opinion, doesn’t think they are? Why would I think this obviously stupid thing? > [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are really bad at actually reading what people say, aren’t you? You just want to yell and scream “bullshit” while ignoring what it actually _is_ that you are actually calling out. I call bullshit on bullshit. And the idea that “one of the cops was a brain surgeon and was able to operate in the back of the cruiser” was the only way to save Lisa Edwards life is just fundamentally absurd. You are excusing the cops in this situation. Lisa Edwards wasn’t fated to die here. It was the actions of the cops, who had her in custody at the time, who ignored the deterioration in her condition, and even kept her in the back of the police car while they conducted another traffic stop, that are at fault. They killed her. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Sometimes you have some good points to make, but most of the time you are just a ball of incoherent rage, lashing out in anger, often against those who would align with you, if you weren’t pushing them away by looking for any excuse to be actively hostile to everyone around you. While I appreciate your concern for my well being and all, I’ll never be able to get over what you said to me last year. > [@Democrats should have codified Roe v. Wade into Law narrative](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-should-have-codified-roe-v-wade-into-law-narrative/967131/122): > > Yes, it does. By doing so, you are working alongside Fox and Pravda to dissillision voters, to make them think there is no point in coming out to vote, that both sides are the same. If your complaints are limited to this messageboard, then whatever, but given your passion about how the US conducts its affairs, I doubt that they are. Accusing me of working alongside Fox and Pravda to dissillision voters, imagining that I’m so _passionate_ about my internet ramblings on an obscure messageboard that you think that it’s likely I’m up to something else, was simultaneously the oddest and funniest things I’ve been accused of since I’ve been on the dope. I think that effectively accusing me of being a Russian disinformation bot (in Politics & Elections, no less) is a pretty good way of pushing away those who would ordinarily align with you. At least I’m open about my “incoherent rage.” You appear to be bottling it up, occasionally letting it slip in displays of passive aggressiveness. Does this actually do you any good? At all? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531)._