# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3374
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3374 "2023-03-02T23:14:18Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I did not accuse you of being a Russian disinformation bot, I pointed out that your abject hatred of everything American where you attack Americans who agree with you ideologically for having the nerve to live in America, is not very helpful, at least not to progressives. > > Though it _is_ helpful to Republicans. > > I don’t think that you are helping the Republicans out of a motive to help them, I think you are just too stupid to realize that what you are doing is helping them. > > You don’t really have any agenda other than just spewing your hatred, and that you took it that I was suggesting that you did is pretty fucked up, to be honest. …for the sake of context, I’ll include the post you were replying too. > [@Democrats should have codified Roe v. Wade into Law narrative](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-should-have-codified-roe-v-wade-into-law-narrative/967131/106): > > …and you see this as a problem? > > I’m not talking about “me” here. > > I’m talking in general. Do you think that people should stop complaining about the Democrat leadership? Or is that something that you reserve just for me? > > **Because I’m seeing this in a lot of places, not just here. The sentiment that merely complaining about the leadership puts the election at risk. Is that something you feel is true?** > [@Democrats should have codified Roe v. Wade into Law narrative](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-should-have-codified-roe-v-wade-into-law-narrative/967131/122): > > Yes, it does. By doing so, you are working alongside Fox and Pravda to dissillision voters, to make them think there is no point in coming out to vote, that both sides are the same. If your complaints are limited to this messageboard, then whatever, but given your passion about how the US conducts its affairs, I doubt that they are. There is no _hate_ there. There is no “abject hatred of everything American” there. Not in that thread. Not even in this thread. It was a typical debate. Where I wasn’t “hating on America” but was endorsing what an American politician had said. Then you decided to drop that bomb. Your words, my words, they are all right there. You are just making stuff up. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > That’s pretty much the only thing you are open about. Can you be open about why you appear to have an irrational hatred of me? > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Remember, this exchange started because you were angry **that anyone would dare to put any blame on the hospital who discharged her.** That’s stupid of you, like really fucking stupid. Why would you lie about this? No seriously. Why? Its not as if people can’t simply scroll up and see that this isn’t true. For example: > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > he police didn’t kill her, and the hospitals didn’t kill her. > > Republicans killed her. Cheesesteak didn’t blame the hosptial. They didn’t _dare_ do that. Cheesesteak let them off the hook. Cheesesteak let the cops off the hook. She died because of the Republicans. It doesn’t matter that the police had her in custody, she was clearly displaying signs of a stroke, and that early intervention could at the very least prevent brain injury, and possibly save her life. Or perhaps stuff like this: > [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are correct that they made her last moments of life far worse than they should have been, **but she would have died regardless of what the cops did here.** I simply don’t accept that. She was not **fated** to die. You don’t have to believe me. There is plenty of evidence that tells us that if you intervene early enough you can give someone who is having a stroke at least a fighting chance. I’ve stated over and over again that yeah, the hospital deserves criticism, scrutiny and blame. The claim that " this exchange started because (I was) angry that anyone would dare to put any blame on the hospital who discharged her." is simply a lie. But two things: firstly, the extent of the liability of the hospital is unclear at the moment. We know that they discharged her and that they asked the police for assistance to deal with her. But that’s about _all_ we know. Because secondly, that isn’t the same for the police. Because we have video of the encounter. And we can see each and every opportunity the police had to change the outcome: _that they didn’t take._ This is a thread about controversial encounters between _law-enforcement_ and civilians. So when the police obviously fuck up, I think it’s okay that we focus on that. What we see on that video is not a hospital problem, although problems with the hospital exist. What we see on that video isn’t a Republican problem, even though problems with Republicans exist. What that video showed was a casual disregard to the life and the dignity of a person that deserved better. That _alone_ deserves a pitting. There is no actions that the police took in that video that are defensible. They had the opportunity to give her a fighting chance at life, but they didn’t take it. Because coffee and oatmeal. On the LORD’s day. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’ll never understand what people like you get out of lying all the time. It must be fun, but I don’t get it. You can ignore all the facts I’ve presented so far and continue to make this personal if you like. I’ll just keep throwing the facts right back at you. I can do that all day. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531)._