Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2

New public trust announcement:

“LA County police: Now with fewer rapists!”

Here is YT news story (with jail video) of a 19 year old autistic man, begging for his meds, after he was arrested by Dayton, Ohio’s finest. More details are provided in a DM news story. Am guessing they thought he was on drugs. He should have received medical help.

I guess this is controversial because the cops did everything to deescalate the situation.

Our (retiring) Police Chief addressed a BLM march in 2020 and promised that there would never be a George Floyd type incident here as long as he was chief. I think he’s made good on his promise.

Summery: Nolensville, TN police capture a suspect wanted in Michigan for attacking a judge after he rams their patrol car. Body cams show them trying to deescalate the situation. The suspect finally gets tasered after he bites a sheriff deputy who is there to take him to the county lock up.

From Washington Post today:

Cops who sexually abuse children get treated with kid gloves, not just by other cops but by prosecutors and judges

Tirado was covering the protests on the night of May 29 when police officers fired “nonlethal” foam plastic bullets into the crowd. One of them hit her in the eye — even though she was wearing protective goggles and press credentials.

Yeah. I know Linda and I’m kind of angry about this.

In a story that actually turned out the right way for once, a man that was arrested for flipping off a state trooper just received a $175,000 settlement. Hopefully this will be a lesson, at least for that trooper, that he can’t arrest someone for hurting his feelings (though it’s unfortunate that the people of Vermont will be the ones paying for the lesson).

This 13 year old had a replica handgun.

This seems completely and utterly mad.

I’m going to agree with the article that a dog can’t detect a difference between “legal” and “illegal” humans. However, it can detect if people have been hidden, and that seems to me to be probable cause for a search. OK, you found people. Reasonable for the police to ask “Why are you in this hidden compartment instead of the passenger compartment? Oh, and are there proper seats / seat belts here?”. I don’t see this as an improper search, I don’t see this as improper charges.

The biggest problem with K9s is that they are also trained (perhaps not officially) to take cues from their handler. A police officer can instruct the dog to alert, using a subtle gesture or other imperceptible cue, and then proceed with a search because the dog allegedly detected something. The testimony of a dog should never be allowed, because it cannot honestly tell us exactly what it was reacting to.

What the FUCK is an illegal human? This kind of thing sickens me.

It also intensifies my inclination towards prescriptivism.

Makes me want to send the language police after the perpetrators.

Descriptivists bedamned.

Cops from Columbus, OH shot and killed a homeless man in Milwaukee, one mile away from where they were supposed to be providing security for the Republican convention.

I read that earlier and was going to post about it in the RNC thread. In the article I read, I came across this:

According to an agreement signed by partner agencies, any disciplinary matters that arise with an outside officer will be referred to the home agency.

If the matter rises to the level of probable cause for a crime, it will be referred directly to MPD or an external law enforcement agency for investigation “with appropriate notice to Contractor,” according to the agreement.

Under the agreement, officers from other jurisdictions will follow their home agency’s policies on body cameras. Columbus police do use body cameras. It was not immediately known if the officer involved in the shooting had a body camera.

I’m curious if this is typical of this type of agreement. That is, if I’m a cop and I’m working in your jurisdiction, is it typical for me to follow the rules of my home jurisdiction or the one where I’m working?
I would have thought a cop would have to follow the rules of their host city. What if we found out, for example, that Milwaukee purposely brought in cops from cities that didn’t require body cams.

Body Cam footage has been released. To my untrained eyes, having watched only this clip, only one time, ISTM these cops are entirely in the wrong. The video stops about a second before the shooting starts (but the audio keeps going), but from what I can tell, multiple cops started shooting before the man with the knives even appeared to know they were there. We can’t really tell based on the video(s) provided, but I won’t be surprised if at least some of those shots hit him in the back.
I’m sure they’re going to say they shot him to protect the person he was in an altercation with. But I’d have thought that (at least) 6 cops could have stopped this guy with pepper spray or tasers. It would have ended the fight, it wouldn’t have been noteworthy (when the whole world is watching) and everyone would have slept in their own bed that night, including the deceased man’s dog.
Edit: The MKE police chief seems to be backing the Ohio cops.

“Someone’s life was in danger,” he said. “These officers who are not from this area took upon themselves to act to save someone’s life today.”

In one of the articles, Milwaukee cops are saying that this is exactly whey out of town cops weren’t supposed to be working outside the secure zone on their own.
From the article I previously posted (though it appears to have been updated since then)

Milwaukee police had said they intended to assign outside officers to positions that are not public-facing — such as traffic control — while Milwaukee officers would have primary contact with members of the community. Any assignments given to outside officers were supposed to include at least one Milwaukee police officer, according to the mutual aid agreement.

and

If the Ohio officers were by themselves without MPD, [Milwaukee Ald. Robert] Bauman said, that would be a problem.

“If it was an MPD officer, he would have known, no, no, no this is King Park, this is a known area for homeless to camp out, lots of folks with mental disabilities in here, tread carefully, de-escalate,” he said.

He added: “They’re in unfamiliar territory and they don’t know King Park from Central Park.”

I also see that those Ohio cops “were in their assigned zone related to RNC duties for potential demonstration response”.
I’m curious what their mutual aid agreement says about engaging with non RNC situations. If they were assigned to that area for “potential demonstration response” and this was just random incident, entirely unrelated to the RNC, are they allowed to break it up? Can they use force, lethal or otherwise, to do so?

Sounds to me like the Fresno Hell’s Angels were having trouble with the Pagans and called in the Visalia chapter for extra muscle.