# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 134
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2661 "2015-05-10T05:52:16Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > True. He’s probably seen every episode of 24, has a poster of Jack Bauer he masturbates to before falling asleep, and has no idea that the US was executing people for war crimes at least as far back as the Civil War. We executed exactly one person for war crimes in the Civil War - a Confederate prison commandant. Nobody suggested that Sherman should have been executed for razing Atlanta because it was understood that’s how you win wars. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2662 "2015-05-10T06:34:39Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Getting back, sort of, on topic. A bit of sympathy for the cops who have to deal with racist civilians who sic the fuzz on innocent African Americans. > > [Cops To White People: Stop Getting Freaked Out By Your Black Neighbors](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/07/cops-to-white-people-stop-getting-freaked-out-by-your-black-neighbors-screenshots/) (SCREENSHOTS and link to Reddit) I brought this up in the endless “black guy shot by police” threads, a lot of them start with a pointless call to 911 to report a black guy basically existing. But no one seems to call out these assholes who call the cops. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2663 "2015-05-10T06:51:35Z")
For everyone arguing with Smapti, this is a guy who said slaves should obey the law and their masters ! He literally said slaves in the USA should have obeyed their masters because it WAS THE LAW! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2664 "2015-05-10T08:50:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So you’re telling me they _didn’t_ segregate the blacks into homelands that were granted degrees of independence? Yeah, no-one believed this Potemkin Villages act except those quislings who actually ran the homelands. Never mind that Blacks weren’t the only people without representation. There never were Coloured or Asian homelands… > [@](#): > > By that logic, America “needs” Latinos and Mexico is little more than a puppet state that we don’t want to be autonomous or self-sufficient. Well, yes, and yes. That’s why most guns used by the cartels are [American in origin](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40572312/ns/world_news-americas/t/firearms-us-being-used-mexico-drug-violence/#.VU8bcPmqpBc). Something that could be reduced if the US acted on it. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2665 "2015-05-10T14:15:07Z")
From **BigAppleBucky’s** link: > [@](#): > > “Amipow,” another police officer, also shared his experiences with racism in his community: > > - I got a call once about someone illegally fishing in a community pond. The complainant advised that they had lived there for years, and knew that the person fishing didn’t live in the community. > > ``` > Once I arrive, I see a middle aged black man fishing in the pond. He looks over when I pull up and immediately approaches me. He said, “Let me guess, my racist neighbors called again saying that I didn’t live here.” > > “Yes, sir. That is what the caller said.” > > “Here’s my license. I’ve lived here for 10 years, and they call on me every once and a while.” > > “I’m sorry to have bothered your fishing. Have a good day, and good luck with your horrible neighbors.”* > > ``` I’m going to remember that article the next someone tries to assure us that racism is a small, insignificant thing of the past. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2666 "2015-05-10T14:30:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > We executed exactly one person for war crimes in the Civil War - a Confederate prison commandant. Nobody suggested that Sherman should have been executed for razing Atlanta because it was understood that’s how you win wars. Umm no. Seriously, you really deprived yourself by not furthering your education. To give a rather obvious example, both the Confederates and Union armies executed soldiers they found in enemy uniforms or civilian clothes. Beyond that, thank you for having the decency to admit that your claim that the US didn’t punish people for “war crimes” prior to WWII was jaw droppingly stupid and admitting that the US had a concept of war crimes long before then. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2667 "2015-05-10T23:06:32Z")
[Year old incident, newly released video](http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/videos/watch-womanizing-cop-caught-feeling-on-woman-arrests-guy-who-tries-to-film-it-video/). Shows NYC cops upset when a kid tried to film their groping of a woman on the street. The video clearly proves they lied when they accused him of lunging at a cop and trying to punch him. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2668 "2015-05-10T23:20:24Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Year old incident, newly released video](http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/videos/watch-womanizing-cop-caught-feeling-on-woman-arrests-guy-who-tries-to-film-it-video/). Shows NYC cops upset when a kid tried to film their groping of a woman on the street. The video clearly proves they lied when they accused him of lunging at a cop and trying to punch him. It seems the new rule of thumb now needs to be there should be at least one more camera trained on the scene than number of police officers present. A lot of the videos coming out are of a second person filming the police destroying the equipment of the first person. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2669 "2015-05-10T23:58:46Z")
Don’t know if this has been brought up already but its important enough. The ACLU is supporting a site and app for instant uploading of citizen’s recordings. If you are plugged into that, the police can take your phone and wreck it, but it won’t do them any good. The age of the digital video witness is upon us. > **[ACLU Phone App Lets You Shoot the Cops](https://www.wired.com/2012/06/cop-watching-app/)** > > The New York chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has released an Android application allowing mobile-phone users to easily capture police patdowns on video, which is then automatically uploaded to the rights group's servers. The answer to the problem is the people. Pretty much always is. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2670 "2015-05-11T18:14:29Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Year old incident, newly released video](http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/videos/watch-womanizing-cop-caught-feeling-on-woman-arrests-guy-who-tries-to-film-it-video/). Shows NYC cops upset when a kid tried to film their groping of a woman on the street. The video clearly proves they lied when they accused him of lunging at a cop and trying to punch him. Sexual assault Falsifying arrest record Lying Destruction of evidence Can anyone justify why any of these officers AND the people who covered up for them should be working in any capacity in law enforcement ever again? And why the officers should not be facing a long prison sentence? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2671 "2015-05-11T18:59:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sexual assault > Falsifying arrest record > Lying > Destruction of evidence > > Can anyone justify why any of these officers AND the people who covered up for them should be working in any capacity in law enforcement ever again? > > And why the officers should not be facing a long prison sentence? **Smapti** will be along any minute now. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2672 "2015-05-11T19:59:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sexual assault > Falsifying arrest record > Lying > Destruction of evidence > > Can anyone justify why any of these officers AND the people who covered up for them should be working in any capacity in law enforcement ever again? > > And why the officers should not be facing a long prison sentence? I’m sure Smapti will have you covered. By the way, can we stop arguing with that sack of filth already? This thread has been repeatedly derailed by him and people trying to argue with him! The fuck does the Civil War and WW2 have to do with Asshat cops? Please let’s try to ignore the idiot. Would be nice if he got some sort of official warning when attempting to derail. Also: I lost the damn link and I’m on my phone, but I wanted ot give a shout out to the cop in Florida who arrested the sack of shit business man for drunk driving, despite the protestations of the Chief of Police, the City controller and various other officials. We need more cops like you. I’ll link as soon as I can, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2673 "2015-05-11T21:19:00Z")
Officers in upstate-ish New York, pretty close to Mahwah NJ, [stopped a carload of thugs who were decked out in body armor](http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/us/new-york-parole-officers-police-officers/) – thugs whose legitimate job sometimes calls for wearing body armor. The town’s assistant DA, defending the constables, _… called the actions of the police officers “reasonable under the circumstances” and that the “parole officers had not notified the town that they would be in town.”_ And, yes, it was about race. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2674 "2015-05-12T01:26:56Z")
You may remember the black homeowner who called 911, only to be shot by one of the officers responding to the scene. You may recall that according to the sheriff’s office, the officers had given the guy clear instructions to put down his weapon. But because that silly negro refused to comply with this simple request, after much deliberation it was decided he had to be taken out. That was the [story](http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/05/08/investigation-after-white-deputy-shoots-black-homeowner) they told us. Now we get the truth: [Dashcam recording indicates that deputy fired on homeowner almost instantly](http://www.abcnews4.com/clip/11483337/2-seconds-deputy-fired-weapon-at-homeowner-almost-instantly-video-shows). Why aren’t these recordings ever released to the public right away? Why does the police always get a chance to tell their side of the story before we get to see what really happened? Because they were able to paint Heyward as a gun-wielding fool on a suicide mission, there are people who can listen to that audio and shrug it off as another incident where “both sides were wrong”. We live in a society where a black man can be clearly victimized by both fellow citizens (criminals) and his government (police officers), and the average internet commenter will still lay the blame on him. Heyward is now paralyzed from the waist down and unable to speak. Too bad for him that in the ambulance he supposedly blamed himself for the whole thing. The racist yahoos on the internet won’t let that go. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2675 "2015-05-12T03:03:28Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > … Too bad for him that in the ambulance he supposedly blamed himself for the whole thing… Hell, I would too, I’d sing the praises of the officer’s intelligence and forbearance, and throw in several good thoughts about EMT personnel and ambulance drivers, salt of the earth, they is! Of course its all my fault, sure hope those nice officers weren’t troubled too much punching holes in my sorry ass… ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2676 "2015-05-12T04:27:50Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Too bad for him that in the ambulance he supposedly blamed himself for the whole thing. Funny thing is, when I’m in a confrontation, I reflexively do the same. It’s polite: when I bump into a guy I say I’m sorry even if it’s the other’s fault. Apropos nothing, I understand that’s a Japanese cultural practice as well. In my experience assholes take the diametrically opposite approach. (Of course there’s a happy medium.) Anyway, when I see an accommodating black guy get shot by the cops I think damn, _that could of been me._ There’s another example of this upthread; a black guy got shot while following the cop’s instructions too quickly. With his hand on his gut and in pain, they guy asked why he was shot and apologized. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2677 "2015-05-12T06:24:44Z")
[Mentally ill woman dies in police custody, “accidentally” according to officials.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/11/1383983/-Let-s-be-clear-The-brutal-death-of-Natasha-McKenna-was-not-an-accident#) The reasons for her being in custody to begin with are apparently murky. Perhaps relevantly, her race is… Oh, you’ll never guess. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2678 "2015-05-12T16:00:46Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > [Mentally ill woman dies in police custody, “accidentally” according to officials.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/11/1383983/-Let-s-be-clear-The-brutal-death-of-Natasha-McKenna-was-not-an-accident#) The reasons for her being in custody to begin with are apparently murky. > > Perhaps relevantly, her race is… Oh, you’ll never guess. [even more confusing](http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/police-report-confirms-officers-mckenna-with-her-hands-cuffed-and-legs-shackled/), _… the police have yet to even explain why Natasha McKenna had been locked up in the first place. Natasha herself was the one who initiated police contact, having called 911 after being assaulted. From there she was moved between jails and hospitals continuously without explanation._ ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2679 "2015-05-12T16:23:58Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Perhaps relevantly, her race is… Oh, you’ll never guess. You can that crap, you race-baiting liberal elite motherfucker. Don’t you know #alllivesmatter ? It’s a post-racial society you live in, and don’t you forget it. Insinuating anything else is racist. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/2680 "2015-05-12T16:32:57Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > [Mentally ill woman dies in police custody, “accidentally” according to officials.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/11/1383983/-Let-s-be-clear-The-brutal-death-of-Natasha-McKenna-was-not-an-accident#) The reasons for her being in custody to begin with are apparently murky. > [@](#): > > Her death was the brutal, intentional, and of force so excessive that both of her eyes were blackened, a finger was amputated, she was covered in bruises, and never woke up again after being repeatedly Tasered by the police. Mind you, this was all done to her after her hands were cuffed, her feet were shackled, and a hood put over her head. Some reports also state that she was apparently stripped completely naked as well. > > Natasha McKenna was 5 feet, 3 inches tall, and weighed just 130 pounds. Some reports suggest she was actually even smaller. > > But in the deputies’ reports, several of those involved in trying to restrain her noted that she was so thin a standard “restraint belt” could not be used to immobilize her hands. “It was discovered that Inmate McKenna was physically too small in the torso for the belt to take effect,” one deputy wrote. > Six men, dressed in full riot gear (visors, helmets, and heavy padding) did this to her. “Accidental” would be if one of them tripped and fell and injured her. Every decision they made was deliberate and calculated and directly led to her death. Had they not made the decisions they made, she would still be alive today. Sure does sound like an accident. But watch the libtards try to make it about police brutality. :smack: > [@Leaper](#): > > Perhaps relevantly, her race is… Oh, you’ll never guess. I like a good challenge! [del]Oriental[/del] Asian ? Portuguese from the Azore Islands ? Andamanese??? Scots-Irish? … How many guesses do I get? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=133) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=135)