# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/481 "2014-12-21T15:40:40Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > And the relevance to the subject and tenor of this thread is what? Was this not a “controversial encounter between law-enforcement and civilians”? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/482 "2014-12-21T15:45:30Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Was this not a “controversial encounter between law-enforcement and civilians”? Where’s the controversy? This was bad and everyone knows it. Murder is wrong. Murdering two police offers in cold blood is _really_ wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/483 "2014-12-21T15:47:36Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Where’s the controversy? This was bad and everyone knows it. Murder is wrong. Murdering two police offers in cold blood is _really_ wrong. Apparently not everyone: [NYC Protesters Chant: ‘What Do We Want? Dead Cops!’](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/13/al-sharpton-leads-thousands-in-saturday-march-on-washington-dc/) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/484 "2014-12-21T16:06:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Apparently not everyone: [NYC Protesters Chant: ‘What Do We Want? Dead Cops!’](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/13/al-sharpton-leads-thousands-in-saturday-march-on-washington-dc/) People who say they want dead cops are bad and shouldn’t say that. Anyone here disagree? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/485 "2014-12-21T16:15:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > People who say they want dead cops are bad and shouldn’t say that. Anyone here disagree? They shouldn’t chant it but deep down they may not be bad people, just regular people behaving badly out of frustration. How’s that for splitting hairs? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/486 "2014-12-21T16:16:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > People who say they want dead cops are bad and shouldn’t say that. Anyone here disagree? And yet you’re always the first to stand up for these “protesters”. Who now turn out to be murderers. People seem quite happy to treat the police as an oppressive group as a whole, despite the demonstrable fact that it’s not true, and that _unwarranted_ violence by the police is rare, and yet all the violent protests, riots and now murders are somehow “isolated incidents”… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/487 "2014-12-21T16:18:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > People who say they want dead cops are bad and shouldn’t say that. Anyone here disagree? ME! People who say they want dead cops are assholes and should say that . . . so we know who they are (on the off chance that it, the assholeness, isn’t otherwise obvious). CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/488 "2014-12-21T16:24:23Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > And yet you’re always the first to stand up for these “protesters”. Who now turn out to be murderers. That’s quite a fucking leap and frankly an asinine thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/489 "2014-12-21T16:33:29Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > And yet you’re always the first to stand up for these “protesters”. Who now turn out to be murderers. Not sure who you’re talking about – protesters are great, in general (just like, say, cops, by the way). There are a few bad ones (cops too). But in case you weren’t sure, I definitely oppose murder. Murder is very bad, and calling for murder is also bad. Protesting is not calling for murder, and calling for murder is not protesting. Those are two different things. So I don’t support anyone who turns about to be a murderer. And most of the protesters aren’t murderers and don’t call for murder. > [@](#): > > People seem quite happy to treat the police as an oppressive group as a whole, despite the demonstrable fact that it’s not true, and that _unwarranted_ violence by the police is rare, and yet all the violent protests, riots and now murders are somehow “isolated incidents”… LOL. It certainly depends on how you define “rare” and “isolated incidents”. I think the amount of unwarranted violence by cops could and should be lower – it’s much, much lower in some other countries, for example, so we know that it can be lower. As for the protesters – so far, I’ve seen no indication that violence, riots, and murders are occurring in anything but a tiny amount compared to the overall protests (which, in the case of Garner, are mostly supported by the public based on the polling). Your characterizations of myself and the protesters (other than a very small number of incidents) are wildly inaccurate, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/490 "2014-12-21T16:36:13Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Not necessarily in this thread, but posters in recent threads have said that if the police encounter violent offenders, they should retreat to a safe distance, and call a supervisor. > > Never mind that if the police do retreat, the perp is more able to grab a bystander, and use the machete on her. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/491 "2014-12-21T16:41:51Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > … Let’s see if someone who supports it will weigh in, so we can start a dialogue. > [@get\_lives](#): > > From the shooter’s POV, the score is now @ 10,000-2, still in favor of the police. If the cops he killed were the Pantoleo type, he may have made New Yorkers safer. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/492 "2014-12-21T16:43:29Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > You’re welcome. In any discussion both sides will have their assholes. It’s best to ignore them regardless of what position they take. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/493 "2014-12-21T16:44:13Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > From the shooter’s POV, the score is now @ 10,000-2, still in favor of the police. If the cops he killed were the Pantoleo type, he may have made New Yorkers safer. This is bad and you should feel bad. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/494 "2014-12-21T16:45:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Apparently not everyone: [NYC Protesters Chant: ‘What Do We Want? Dead Cops!’](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/13/al-sharpton-leads-thousands-in-saturday-march-on-washington-dc/) Wow, that is reprehensible! > [@Steophan](#): > > And yet you’re always the first to stand up for these “protesters”. Who now turn out to be murderers. And this is ridiculous, nay, moronic. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/495 "2014-12-21T16:48:34Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > In any discussion both sides will have their assholes. > It’s best to ignore them regardless of what position they take. **VinylTurnip** requested a poster who supported the murders in order to start a dialogue. Wish granted. Simply saying ignore the poster is not dialogue. If that were the case, there wouldn’t be a fourteen page **Starving Artist** thread. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/496 "2014-12-21T16:58:21Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > **VinylTurnip** requested a poster who supported the murders in order to start a dialogue. Wish granted. Simply saying ignore the poster is not dialogue. If that were the case, there wouldn’t be a fourteen page **Starving Artist** thread. Here’s a dialogue: **get lives** is an imbecilic troll. Anyone want to argue against? ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/497 "2014-12-21T16:59:45Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Here’s a dialogue: **get lives** is an imbecilic troll. Anyone want to argue against? Glad we could pry that out of you. You’re amaze-balls. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/498 "2014-12-21T17:53:17Z")
> **[SHOCK VIDEO\>\>\> #Ferguson Protesters Chant "Pigs in a Blanket" After...](https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/shock-video-ferguson-protesters-chant-pigs-in-a-blanket-after-two-nyc-police-officers-executed/)** > > Ferguson protesters were back out on the street Saturday night in St. [Ferguson] protesters chanted “Pigs in a blanket” after two NYC police officers were shot execution style in Brooklyn Saturday afternoon. One Ferguson protest leader Bassem Masri, who was leading the chants in the above video, posted this tweet after the shootings. [INDENT] Bassem Masri @bassem\_masri The police have no1 2blame but themselves4the cops getting murdered inNY #Ferguson Bassem Masri was invited to meet with Eric Holder’s DOJ in November to discuss police reform. [/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/499 "2014-12-21T17:59:23Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > And yet you’re always the first to stand up for these “protesters”. Who now turn out to be murderers. So now all protestors against police violence are guilty of murdering these two cops? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/500 "2014-12-21T18:01:36Z")
Perhaps if we made guns less commonly available? Just throwin’ that out there, a thought. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=26)