# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 257
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5121 "2015-07-17T01:21:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > However, all rebellions are _unlawful_, regardless of what the rebels believe they’re killing in the name of. Well, duh. I should have said\* justifiable.\* Are rebellions to secure human rights and freedom _justifiable_? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5122 "2015-07-17T01:24:48Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Well, duh. I should have said\* justifiable.\* Are rebellions to secure human rights and freedom _justifiable_? Only if they win. If the rebels win, then they are now the government, and they can define the law however they want. If they lose, then they’ll be punished by the laws of the government they failed to defeat. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5123 "2015-07-17T05:56:38Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So for nearly 150 years, the United States was not a democracy? Because women didn’t get the right to vote until 1920, and the poll tax and poll tests for black voters were not abolished until 1964. > > See [Disenfranchisement after the Reconstruction Era](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era) You could probably make an argument that it still isn’t, given the fact that criminals who’ve served their sentences aren’t allowed to vote in many places. Still doesn’t mean I think that rebellion would be a sensible response to that. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5124 "2015-07-17T05:58:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > At this point, I’m all for passing laws that charge **every single cop** that had _anything_ to do with any suspect in custody who ends up dead _at any point_ in the custodial chain with first-degree murder, with provisions that prevent the DA’s office from refusing to prosecute or plea-bargaining _anything_. The cops should have to pay for their own lawyers as well. That will destroy the Blue Wall once and for all. If the state doesn’t have capital punishment, it should be reinstated for custodial deaths. Make every cop go to trial. If they are innocent, the jury will decide that. Every other cop responsible gets fried. I’ve fucking **had it**. Nice to see you don’t recognise the constitutional, legal, or moral rights of people who have chosen to put themselves at risk to protect you. Whatever you think the problem is, kangaroo courts and show trials are not the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5125 "2015-07-17T11:15:43Z")
I love how the S&S twins think that if the rules for cops are tightened such that killing black people is clearly frowned upon, nobody will want to be cops and we’ll descend into anarchy. Personally, if we make candidates who look at killing people as a job perk reconsider applying, that will be a dramatic improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5126 "2015-07-17T12:15:34Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I love how the S&S twins think that if the rules for cops are tightened such that killing black people is clearly frowned upon, nobody will want to be cops and we’ll descend into anarchy. I love how people like you think that ignoring the laws that protect people and treating a specific group of people badly, ignoring their legal, constitutional, and moral rights is a solution to anything. It’s almost like you want to treat the police as an inferior group, something I thought you were against. The hypocrisy is amusing. > [@](#): > > Personally, if we make candidates who look at killing people as a job perk reconsider applying, that will be a dramatic improvement. That you think policemen actually enjoy killing, or want to kill, just shows your idiocy even further. As I’m sure you’re aware, the vast majority of cops never use their weapons except in training, let alone kill people, and those that do are thoroughly investigated and potentially have their lives ruined, even if the killing turned out to be justified. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your ranting. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5127 "2015-07-17T12:27:48Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I love how people like you think that ignoring the laws that protect people and treating a specific group of people badly, ignoring their legal, constitutional, and moral rights is a solution to anything. Wait, I thought you said it’s ok to shoot young black males cause they’re scary? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5128 "2015-07-17T12:37:18Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Wait, I thought you said it’s ok to shoot young black males cause they’re scary? No, no. It’s not cause they’re black. They must be shot because of black culture. It’s very different and not at all racist. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5129 "2015-07-17T12:47:10Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I love how people like you think that ignoring the laws that protect people and treating a specific group of people badly, ignoring their legal, constitutional, and moral rights is a solution to anything. I love how people like you think cops are justified in killing anyone who puts their hand in their pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bam_Boo_Gut)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5130 "2015-07-17T16:17:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And how do you propose to deal with the fact that _nobody whatsoever_ is going to want to volunteer to become a police officer once they’re informed that they will be charged with capital murder and sentenced to death if anyone they ever come into contact with dies? Except the majority of police who are being very careful not to kill people. Wait, what? … The police are volunteers in the US?? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5131 "2015-07-17T23:01:53Z")
> [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](#): > > Wait, what? … The police are volunteers in the US?? …Did you think they were conscripts? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5132 "2015-07-17T23:27:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I love how people like you think cops are justified in killing anyone who puts their hand in their pocket. I love how you can neither read nor reason. ---
**Author:** ![Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bam_Boo_Gut)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5133 "2015-07-17T23:46:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > …Did you think they were conscripts? No, I thought they got paid. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5134 "2015-07-17T23:57:35Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I love how you can neither read nor reason. It must be frustrating for you that so few people understand gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5135 "2015-07-18T00:51:25Z")
The two dumb cunts in this thread seem like they would be happy being an Auschwitz tattooist. Because it’s the law, yeah? Been told what to do by a big man in a uniform? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5136 "2015-07-18T01:08:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No rebellion is immoral, because morality is subjective and unprovable. This statement isn’t even internally consistent. Perhaps you meant to assert that rebellion is _a_moral? Otherwise, why should I accept anything you say on this subject, since your dependent clause denies you of the very basis for even making such an authoritative assertion? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5137 "2015-07-18T07:09:30Z")
This showed up at VICE today:[ > [@](#): > > Stephanie Dorceant, a 29-year-old aspiring filmmaker, said in a statement that she was heading back from a concert with her girlfriend in the early hours of July 11 in Brooklyn when the incident occurred. The pair had just emerged from a cab and had begun walking to their shared apartment when a man allegedly bumped Dorceant from behind. When she asked if he was all right, he allegedly responded, “Mind your own business, you fucking dyke.” > > Words were exchanged and Dorceant claims that the off-duty NYPD officer, who was later named as Salvator Aquino in court documents,proceeded to punch her several times, choke her, and scream more gay slurs at her. She claims that she bit the officer to try and get him to stop the assault. > > “When he had his hands around my neck I truly thought I was going to die,” Dorceant said in a statement. “I could not breathe.” > > Aquino reportedly yelled at the cab driver, who was still at the curb, to “call the cops.” When uniformed officers arrived at the scene, Dorceant said that they wrestled her to the ground and put their knees on her neck, shoulders, and back. > > The women were handcuffed and taken into custody. Dorceant was later taken to the hospital before being transferred to central bookings, according to the Gothamist. She spent two days in jail, including a whole day on New York’s notorious prison at Riker’s Island. ]([NYPD Cop Investigated for Allegedly Beating a Brooklyn Woman That He Called a 'Dyke'](https://news.vice.com/article/nypd-cop-investigated-for-allegedly-beating-a-brooklyn-woman-that-he-called-a-dyke)) The whole thing reminds me of last year when that kid who was smoking a cigarette in NYC got beat unconscious by an off-duty cop. Did anything ever happen to that cop? Prolly not, and prolly nothing will happen to this cop, but that don’t make it right. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5138 "2015-07-19T15:46:24Z")
Mississippi, show 'em how it’s done. [unarmed black man choked to death for mouthing off to a cop from a horse and buggy](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/14/kevin-herrington-mississippi-cop_n_7796614.html) Stay classy, Mississippi. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5139 "2015-07-19T17:01:30Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > This statement isn’t even internally consistent. How is it not? The statement “rebellion is immoral” implies the existence of objective morality; since there is no such thing, the statement cannot be true. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5140 "2015-07-19T17:08:20Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I love how people like you think cops are justified in killing anyone who puts their hand in their pocket. I love how people like you think you have to wait until after you’ve been shot in the face in order to defend yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=256) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=258)