# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 267
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5321 "2015-07-22T00:02:37Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yer wot ? If I put two in the back of the head of that \*cazzo \*Tony the Wrench but the \*stronzo \*DA he can’t prove no nothing on nobody ; am I wholly innocent of the murder, in your world ? Of murder? Yes. There’s more to murder than killing someone. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5322 "2015-07-22T00:09:14Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Of murder? Yes. There’s more to murder than killing someone. Curiouser and curiouser. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5323 "2015-07-22T02:52:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Any camere’s footage can be trivially erased, or the camera can simply be disconnected beforehand. As for evidence that it happened : none. It’s just as likely as “nothing happened whatsoever”. You don’t have any evidence of that, either. You only have an absence of evidence which you choose to rule is sufficient, nay, \*probative \*in and of itself. Tis not so. Even if you really, really love the cops and know for definite that each and every last one of them is above any reproach. The Texas Department of Public Safety has released a [video of Sandra Bland’s traffic stop](http://youtu.be/yf8GR3OO9mU), and there is no evidence of any tampering with that video. It all looks perfectly normal, although they might want to send someone to check out that weird space-time anomaly that’s causing cars to disappear and reappear from about 32:30 onwards for a minute or so. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5324 "2015-07-22T03:06:07Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Curiouser and curiouser. I take it this is your first interaction with **Steophan**? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5325 "2015-07-22T03:37:41Z")
**Smapti** is too damaged to be a productive contributor to this message board. **Smapti** ’s dysfunction causes him to incessantly post the most heinous, odious, inhuman content that does nothing but generate incredulous reactions from people who are not impaired. He has become a terrible blight on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5326 "2015-07-22T04:58:05Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > **Smapti** is too damaged to be a productive contributor to this message board. **Smapti** ’s dysfunction causes him to incessantly post the most heinous, odious, inhuman content that does nothing but generate incredulous reactions from people who are not impaired. He has become a terrible blight on this board. If everyone on this board was smart and sane they’d all agree with me on everything and there’d be no-one to argue with. ---
**Author:** ![JVDaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@JVDaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JVDaly)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5327 "2015-07-22T05:08:26Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > **Smapti** is too damaged to be a productive contributor to this message board. **Smapti** ’s dysfunction causes him to incessantly post the most heinous, odious, inhuman content that does nothing but generate incredulous reactions from people who are not impaired. He has become a terrible blight on this board. Are you kidding? I love Smapti! I think we should have a special sub forum just for asking him questions about stuff 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5328 "2015-07-22T07:51:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I cannot conceive of a society where such a law would possibly exist Why not? There’ve been several where sacrificing your kids was required, doesn’t seem that different. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5329 "2015-07-22T08:41:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The Texas Department of Public Safety has released a [video of Sandra Bland’s traffic stop](http://youtu.be/yf8GR3OO9mU), and there is no evidence of any tampering with that video. It all looks perfectly normal, although they might want to send someone to check out that weird space-time anomaly that’s causing cars to disappear and reappear from about 32:30 onwards for a minute or so. :eek: I’m going to link to your post in the GD thread that was just started about this video. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5330 "2015-07-22T09:59:32Z")
NBC news reported that the Texas Dept of safety is looking into possible tampering of the Bland videos. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5331 "2015-07-22T12:09:17Z")
There’s no good outcome, because even if there is some innocent explanation for the glitches, nobody (other than a couple of twits whose names begin with S) will believe it because police now have essentially zero credibility in these incidents. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5332 "2015-07-22T12:18:53Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > There’s no good outcome, because even if there is some innocent explanation for the glitches, nobody (other than a couple of twits whose names begin with S) will believe it because police now have essentially zero credibility in these incidents. Here’s one from several years ago at my alma mater: [Footage Of Maryland Student’s Beating Goes Missing, Re-Appears Minus Some “Editing”](http://deadspin.com/5522419/footage-of-maryland-students-beating-goes-missing-re-appears-minus-some-editing) > [@](#): > > A disc of security camera video that might show police officers assaulting a Maryland student during the post-Duke game bliss mysteriously went missing, then re-appeared hours later…with a two-minute gap in the footage. Wait! That’s not the shadiest part, yet! > … > After a homemade video surfaced that showed U-of-M student Jack McKenna being brutally beaten by riot cops while celebrating the Terrapin win over Duke this season, investigators decided to subpoena surveillance footage of all the campus security cameras in the area. Campus police turned over sixty hours worth of video discs—but somehow didn’t have the disc that covered the time and location of McKenna’s beating. They blamed it on a technical error, saying that the footage had been automatically erased by the system. Then just hours later, the disc in question magically appeared, but with two minutes of missing footage. Weird, right? Now he’s the wacky part… > … > Ready? The officer who oversees the video surveillance system at the University of Maryland is married to one of cops in video. A cop who McKenna was falsely accused of attacking, before the first video showed that was a lie. Here’s how a more “objective” journalist behaves when they can’t write, “Gimme a break!”: > > ``` > "In another bizarre coincidence, the campus police official in charge of the video surveillance system, Lt. Joanne Ardovini, is married to one of the National Capital Park police mounted officers who was named in the complaint Prince George's County police filed against McKenna." > > ``` > > That is certainly bizarre! What are the odds that a policeman involved in a possible cover-up could be married to a woman in a position to cover things up? Now, I’m sure someone can tell us this is only a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5333 "2015-07-22T12:34:43Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Now, I’m sure someone can tell us this is only a coincidence. Just like how [18 and half minutes of tape](http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2011/02/cracking-watergates-infamous-18-1-2-minute-gap) were accidentally erased. Over and over and over. By accident. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5334 "2015-07-22T13:46:22Z")
If you guys want to feed something so badly I’d suggest pigeons or ducks instead. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5335 "2015-07-22T19:36:17Z")
You have to give \*\*Sampti \*\*a break. The poor fella is obviously scared witless - petrified of everything that moves on this planet; probably 7 out of 10 things that don’t move too. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5336 "2015-07-22T20:16:34Z")
An asthmatic, Troy Goode of Memphis, was hogtied and laid face down on his chest. Witnesses hear him screaming, I can’t breathe! He dies. Police say it was from an “LSD overdose”. You’d think they would be smart enough to at least make up an excuse that’s actually possible. I guess they chose LSD because the guy was white. > **[Nice White Dad Mysteriously Dies In Police Custody, We Can Talk Police...](https://www.wonkette.com/nice-white-dad-mysteriously-dies-in-police-custody-we-can-talk-police-brutality-now)** > > Saturday evening, Troy and Kelli Goode of Memphis headed off to a Widespread Panic concert in nearby Southaven, Mississippi. What should have been a nice night off for two young parents ended with Troy, a 30-year-old chemical engineer, loving... ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5337 "2015-07-22T21:29:13Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > You have to give \*\*Sampti \*\*a break. The poor fella is obviously scared witless - petrified of everything that moves on this planet; probably 7 out of 10 things that don’t move too. Could we describe him as “distracted and weepy” do you think? If so I know the kind of job he’d be perfect for. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5338 "2015-07-22T21:55:28Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > An asthmatic, Troy Goode of Memphis, was hogtied and laid face down on his chest. Witnesses hear him screaming, I can’t breathe! He dies. Police say it was from an “LSD overdose”. > > You’d think they would be smart enough to at least make up an excuse that’s actually possible. I guess they chose LSD because the guy was white. > [Nice White Dad Mysteriously Dies In Police Custody, We Can Talk Police Brutality Now?](http://wonkette.com/591729/nice-white-dad-mysteriously-dies-in-police-custody-we-can-talk-police-brutality-now#46d4PLs4XrSpJ50m.99) From the article: > [@](#): > > And look, yr[sic] Wonkette is not a cop-hater. Events around the country the past few years have encouraged people to go to one extreme or another — from “Fuck Tha Police” to **“the police can do no wrong, and if person A hadn’t been doing X, the cops wouldn’t have had to kill him!”** But there do seem to be some problems out there, with the way SOME of those wearing badges, and SOME terrible, horrible, fucked up, very bad police departments out there handle the citizens they’re supposed to be Serving and Protecting. (It’s right in their goddamned motto!) And it’s especially concerning when people mysteriously die while in the custody of of police, though the official narrative tends to be that the person in custody must have done it to him or herself. Strange how that keeps happening, especially to people of color. [My emphasis] Can the S & S twins recognize which extreme they’re on? Probably not, since in their view everyone else in this thread is an “Fuck tha Police” anarchist and they’re in the normal middle of the bell curve. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5339 "2015-07-22T22:06:23Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > From the article: > [My emphasis] > > Can the S & S twins recognize which extreme they’re on? > > Probably not, since in their view everyone else in this thread is an “Fuck tha Police” anarchist and they’re in the normal middle of the bell curve. If you change that slightly to “If they hadn’t been doing that, the police wouldn’t have killed them”, you have at least part of my view. It’s not that the police _had_ to kill them, it’s that their own illegal actions lead (and could be predicted to lead) to their deaths. The majority of people mentioned here killed by the cops were stupid criminals, or at least suspected of criminality to the point where arrest would be justified. Which is entirely separate to whether the kilings were legal. As for “fuck tha police anarchists”, there’s only one or two who _actually_ think that, but there’s several more who’s views, if fully followed, would lead to a situation very similar to if the anarchists won - that is, no functional policing. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5340 "2015-07-22T23:05:29Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The majority of people mentioned here killed by the cops were stupid criminals, or at least suspected of criminality to the point where arrest would be justified. Fine. Then arrest them. Try them. Punish them. But you’re arguing for preemptive execution. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=266) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=268)