# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 289
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5761 "2015-08-02T18:58:53Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Please list the posters here who believe this, along with proof that this is their opinion. Very good, sir. > [@silenus](#): > > At this point, I’m all for passing laws that charge **every single cop** that had _anything_ to do with any suspect in custody who ends up dead _at any point_ in the custodial chain with first-degree murder, with provisions that prevent the DA’s office from refusing to prosecute or plea-bargaining _anything_. The cops should have to pay for their own lawyers as well. That will destroy the Blue Wall once and for all. If the state doesn’t have capital punishment, it should be reinstated for custodial deaths. Make every cop go to trial. If they are innocent, the jury will decide that. Every other cop responsible gets fried. > [@kayaker](#): > > No. I am a law abiding guy. If someone kicks in my door I am going to defend myself on the assumption my home is being invaded. I’ll go down fighting, that’s why I have a shotgun under the bed. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Not if it makes it safer for citizens. The safety of citizens outweighs the safety of cops. They are not equal, because cops voluntarily took an oath to protect and serve. > [@PatriotX](#): > > If only there was someone whose duty it was to be in danger to protect citizens. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Yes they can. They took an oath to do just that. Thats why we give them a parade when they take a bullet. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5762 "2015-08-02T18:59:55Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > The proper authorities passed a law that affords citizens protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Why are you against authority? I’m not. The people who are against authority are the ones trying to redefine “unreasonable” as “any”. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5763 "2015-08-02T19:06:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m not. The people who are against authority are the ones trying to redefine “unreasonable” as “any”. You’re taking a position against Ckngress and the rulings of the federal courts on this matter. Anarchist! Since you said this, you must be opposed to all of the courts’ authority! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5764 "2015-08-02T19:09:49Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You’re taking a position against Ckngress and the rulings of the federal courts on this matter. 1. I was not aware that Congress or the federal courts had decided that police had no authority to ask someone their name. 2. I was not aware that said order further included an order that all persons must agree with that order. 3. I was not aware that I had to agree with a policy in order to abide by it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5765 "2015-08-02T19:35:47Z")
For others, I would elaborate. Since your mind is fucked, I’ll simply tell you to look up Terry stops, you crazy fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5766 "2015-08-02T19:46:45Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > For others, I would elaborate. Since your mind is fucked, I’ll simply tell you to look up Terry stops, you crazy fuck. What does this have to do with Terry stops? At no point was the inveigler detained; the cop made it quite clear that he didn’t _want_ to detain him, which is why he gave him an opportunity to shut up and walk away (which he wisely did; no doubt you’d still be sitting in your cell shouting about how you have the right to not tell people your name.) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5767 "2015-08-02T20:06:06Z")
Yeah, I figured there’s no point in a real discussion. It’s hard to imagine sucking the court’s dick, or going down on the Constitution, isn’t it, you crazy, broken fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5768 "2015-08-02T20:25:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Very good, sir. The only one of those quotes that even remotely says what you are claiming it does is the one by **silenus** , which if you’d bother to read even the portion of it you’d quoted, had to do with the death of a person _in custody_. I think most people would agree with the general idea–once you take someone into custody, you become responsible for keeping them alive. The rest of the quotes don’t say what you claim they say. I will say this clearly so you can understand me; you are deliberately lying and mischaracterizing other peoples words, you lying sack of shit. You should be banned for trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5769 "2015-08-02T20:26:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What does this have to do with Terry stops? At no point was the inveigler detained; the cop made it quite clear that he didn’t _want_ to detain him, which is why he gave him an opportunity to shut up and walk away (which he wisely did; no doubt you’d still be sitting in your cell shouting about how you have the right to not tell people your name.) Let me ask you the question plainly: was that officer doing a good job? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5770 "2015-08-02T20:35:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I will say this clearly so you can understand me; you are deliberately lying and mischaracterizing other peoples words, you lying sack of shit. You should be banned for trolling. The meanings of those peoples’ words are clear - they believe that police should be expected to die on the job if the alternative is using force to protect themselves. If you can’t understand that, it’s on you. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Let me ask you the question plainly: was that officer doing a good job? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5771 "2015-08-02T21:36:30Z")
I mean he didn’t even demand a blow job or anything - **Smapti** ’s hopes, dreams and diary entries notwithstanding. Model officer, right there. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5772 "2015-08-02T21:57:41Z")
It’s fucking terrifying how many people here equate having a modicum of respect for people who risk their lives to protect them with being raped. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5773 "2015-08-02T22:01:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It’s fucking terrifying how many people here equate having a modicum of respect for people who risk their lives to protect them with being raped. Is the modicum permanent and obligatory, i.e. should we be compelled to have it regardless of what police officers do? Is there any conceivable mechanism or process through which a particular officer (or police in general) can show himself or themselves as unworthy of that modicum? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5774 "2015-08-02T23:02:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Let me ask you the question plainly: was that officer doing a good job? > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > Yes. He was suspended and apologized. Good call. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5775 "2015-08-02T23:07:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The meanings of those peoples’ words are clear - they believe that police should be expected to die on the job if the alternative is using force to protect themselves. If you can’t understand that, it’s on you. Yeah, we’re the crazy ones. Someone once said something like: “ **Smapti** thinks he’s sane, just like we think we’re sane. What if we as batshit insane as **Smapti** is and we just don’t know it?” Scary thought. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5776 "2015-08-02T23:13:04Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It’s fucking terrifying how many people here equate having a modicum of respect for people You confuse “modicum of respect” for “groveling in fear”. Common mistake for Englishmen. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5777 "2015-08-02T23:39:42Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You confuse “modicum of respect” for “groveling in fear”. Common mistake for Englishmen. C’mon, dude. Nationality based insults? Isn’t there enough about **Steophan** as an individual poster that you can bad mouth without doing the tribal color flashing? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5778 "2015-08-03T00:47:04Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > C’mon, dude. Nationality based insults? Isn’t there enough about **Steophan** as an individual poster that you can bad mouth without doing the tribal color flashing? While I’m sure the English are grateful that you’re so quick to leap to their defense, you should be aware that it’s just a (modified) quote from the movie “Rob Roy”. Even if it wasn’t, I have special dispensation to make English jokes anyway, for the obvious reason. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5779 "2015-08-03T00:56:03Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > While I’m sure the English are grateful that you’re so quick to leap to their defense, you should be aware that it’s just a (modified) quote from the movie “Rob Roy”. Even if it wasn’t, I have special dispensation to make English jokes anyway, for the obvious reason. Doh! Didn’t get the Rob Roy ref. But I’m not rushing to defend the English, I just thought “an idiot’s an idiot anywhere.” Also, the reason for your dispensation isn’t obvious to me. Should it be? Are you typing with an accent or something? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/5780 "2015-08-03T01:11:56Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It’s fucking terrifying how many people here equate having a modicum of respect for people who risk their lives to protect them with being raped. The guy in the video was very respectful, especially for someone getting his Fourth Amendment protections violated. There was no reasonable articulable susicion that the guy in the video had committed a crime. The cop was not in the act of investigating a felony. Thus, the cop was not legally permitted to demand anything of the guy in the video, including his identification. And he clearly threatens the guy with jail if he does not comply. Further, I have no idea what would allow a cop to threaten someone with jail for speaking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=288) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=290)