# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 305
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6081 "2015-08-23T21:48:11Z")
On the [plus side](http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/cops-framed-mentally-challenged-man/), a federal appeals court has ordered two cops to \*personally \*pay a mentally challenged man they framed for rape and murder $7 million. Not the city, the cops personally. AFAIK, a court order like that means they can’t declare bankruptcy to get out from under it. I hope it puts both of them out in the street, homeless and pissed on by society. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6082 "2015-08-23T22:50:29Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > On the [plus side](http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/cops-framed-mentally-challenged-man/), a federal appeals court has ordered two cops to \*personally \*pay a mentally challenged man they framed for rape and murder $7 million. Not the city, the cops personally. AFAIK, a court order like that means they can’t declare bankruptcy to get out from under it. This is the kind of deterrent that will hopefully go a long way to stopping rogue cops. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6083 "2015-08-23T23:46:19Z")
Probably would have been better for the victim if the city and the police were held jointly liable, for the city would have deeper pockets. Is is possible that the city was not found liable due to its employees acting way the hell outside their job description? I don’t know one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6084 "2015-08-24T00:27:43Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > On the [plus side](http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/cops-framed-mentally-challenged-man/), a federal appeals court has ordered two cops to \*personally \*pay a mentally challenged man they framed for rape and murder $7 million. Not the city, the cops personally. …So he’s pretty much not getting paid, is he ? I hardly think cops have five digit bank accounts, let alone multiples of 7. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6085 "2015-08-24T00:53:12Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > …So he’s pretty much not getting paid, is he ? I hardly think cops have five digit bank accounts, let alone multiples of 7. I’m not sure how the law works in Florida, but he should be able to get liens against property, pensions, and the final estate when they kick off. As far as I know, only the feds can intercept any Social Security income. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6086 "2015-08-24T02:13:27Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > On the [plus side](http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/cops-framed-mentally-challenged-man/), a federal appeals court has ordered two cops to \*personally \*pay a mentally challenged man they framed for rape and murder $7 million. Not the city, the cops personally. AFAIK, a court order like that means they can’t declare bankruptcy to get out from under it. Fucking awesome. Let’s hope this starts a trend–if a jury finds that the police acted with malicious intent, make them personally responsible. And make any other police that lied on their behalf personally liable too. Bet our police departments would clean up pretty fucking quickly. > [@Muffin](#): > > Probably would have been better for the victim if the city and the police were held jointly liable, for the city would have deeper pockets. Agreed. Make the police personally liable for some part of the award, and make the city liable for the remainder. ---
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6087 "2015-08-24T07:44:46Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Maryland man dies after being shot by officer following struggle, police say | Maryland | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/22/maryland-police-shooting-charles-s-hall) > > Police said the trooper, Daryl Brackett, knew Hall was wanted on a theft warrant. Brackett approached Hall and attempted to arrest him, police said, but Hall resisted and a struggle ensued. > > Police said Hall got into his car during the struggle and attempted to drive away – and that Brackett fired at him. Hall was pronounced dead at the scene. > > Since the articles do not mention race, I bet you Hall was white. Not that it matters, but everyone involved with this is/was white. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6088 "2015-08-24T14:39:33Z")
[‘Buy these or I take your car’: Video shows officer pressuring driver during traffic stop to support police fundraiser](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206559/Police-Video-shows-officer-pressuring-driver-donation.html) Sure no one died, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6089 "2015-08-24T14:51:25Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [‘Buy these or I take your car’: Video shows officer pressuring driver during traffic stop to support police fundraiser](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206559/Police-Video-shows-officer-pressuring-driver-donation.html) > > Sure no one died, but still. Extortion is still pretty controversial. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6090 "2015-08-24T16:50:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Extortion is still pretty controversial. Commissioner Charles Ramsey thinks it could “very well be illegal”. He’s not sure :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6091 "2015-08-24T19:31:43Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Commissioner Charles Ramsey thinks it could “very well be illegal”. He’s not sure :rolleyes: “may have committed a crime”, Commissioner Charles Ramsey said That’s fucking priceless ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6092 "2015-08-24T20:56:26Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Commissioner Charles Ramsey thinks it could “very well be illegal”. He’s not sure :rolleyes: If you buy 3 tickets he’ll make sure it’s illegal. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6093 "2015-08-24T21:28:05Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > “may have committed a crime”, Commissioner Charles Ramsey said > > That’s fucking priceless I’d _like_ to think that that’s just the generally cautious language that one uses when discussing criminal acts… ie, describing various of the recent spree killers as “alleged/accused mass murderer” when they were caught red handed but haven’t yet been convicted. But that might be overly optimistic of me. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6094 "2015-08-24T21:45:31Z")
Other articles indicate that Internal Affairs has it now and then the Prosecuting Attorney’s office get’s the file. We’ll see where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6095 "2015-08-24T22:44:57Z")
“Buy these tickets or I take your car” Is that legal? Police - “I’m not sure if that’s illegal” Really? You can’t answer a direct question about the legality of what is on the video? And people still wonder why there is such mistrust, if not hatred of cops? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6096 "2015-08-24T23:21:10Z")
[Police removed ten black woman from train in California after complaints they were laughing](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/08/24/3694422/black-women-train-laughing/); [Cite.](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-women-humiliated-after-getting-kicked-6460912.php) Kudos to the cops who were able to escort the compliant hos off the train without firing a single shot. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6097 "2015-08-24T23:55:23Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Police removed ten black woman from train in California after complaints they were laughing](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/08/24/3694422/black-women-train-laughing/); [Cite.](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-women-humiliated-after-getting-kicked-6460912.php) > > Kudos to the cops who were able to escort the compliant hos off the train without firing a single shot. That seems to be a ‘controversial encounter between [employees of] a private company and its customers’ to me. Reading the article(s), I don’t see any police misbehavior. They met the women at the platform on which they were let out by the train crew, which seems to be their policy, but they took no other action. Bitch all you want about the Napa Valley Wine Train crew -and IMO they should’ve spent more effort managing the person (or hypothetically, _persons_) who were complaining than they spent trying to manage a reading group enjoying the experience they were ostensibly selling- but I don’t think you can categorize this as police misconduct. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6098 "2015-08-25T02:21:47Z")
Probably the white woman who complained was pissed off because the women, being a book club, could read. This, of course, meant a [**perp walk**](http://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/removal-of-wine-train-passengers-ignites-social-media-storm/article_324d30f5-129b-534e-9bb8-f3e79c8d3e8b.html). > [@](#): > > “We wanted to get off through the exit door of the train (car) but were told we had to go through all the other cars,” she said, adding that her traveling party included an 80-year-old woman and another passenger using a cane after a recent knee operation. “We were paraded; 10 African-American women and one white woman, being paraded through the cars with four police officers outside.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6099 "2015-08-25T03:50:55Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Bitch all you want about the Napa Valley Wine Train crew … but I don’t think you can categorize this as police misconduct. Oops. You’re right, of course. OTOH, the line between LEO and private security gets blurred, and incidents like this make America’s move towards a police state more insidious and invidious. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6100 "2015-08-25T04:35:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Oops. You’re right, of course. OTOH, the line between LEO and private security gets blurred, and incidents like this make America’s move towards a police state more insidious and invidious. Well, let’s not overstate it. Private security, including private uniformed security, has been around for decades. Of course, they can’t bust heads like they used to. But they have their ways… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=304) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=306)