# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 309
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6161 "2015-09-01T16:48:56Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Technically, the violation was - > > _“Your turn signal, your turn signal was on but you didn’t turn it on 100 feet prior,” the Dayton officer is heard saying on the video Felton recorded on his cellphone._ > > According to the article linked by **monstro**. > [@monstro](#): > > Did you listen to the video? > > Or you accusing me of lying about what the officer said? Why would I accuse you of lying? Were you lying? I said, “According to the article linked by **monstro** ”. Did you provide a link to the article? The edited video starts with the officer saying, “Your turn signal, your turn signal was on but you didn’t turn it on 100 feet prior.” ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6162 "2015-09-01T17:13:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah, we agree, man ! I agree they’re innocent until proven guilty but their attempt to turn public opinion against the media is rather creepy. It’s usially looked down upon when the authorities do that. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6163 "2015-09-01T17:28:11Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I agree they’re innocent until proven guilty but their attempt to turn public opinion against the media is rather creepy. It’s usially looked down upon when the authorities do that. No, I meant they probably should have been charged with something long before the TV station broadcasting the video ever became a thing. Like, around the time their supervisors watched the fucking video. That their supervisors are instead lying their asses off, covering their ass to the point of blaming the media for showing what really happened and (cherry on the ass-cake) pooh-poohing their critics because “somebody died, people !” \*is \*unethical. And sad. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6164 "2015-09-01T19:00:55Z")
[Riker’s Island guards ignore a diabetics pleas for help.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/nyregion/an-unanswered-call-for-help-at-rikers-island.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0) Watch the video as they step over his body as he lies in a heap, dying. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6165 "2015-09-01T19:07:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > No, I meant they probably should have been charged with something long before the TV station broadcasting the video ever became a thing. Like, around the time their supervisors watched the fucking video. > That their supervisors are instead lying their asses off, covering their ass to the point of blaming the media for showing what really happened and (cherry on the ass-cake) pooh-poohing their critics because “somebody died, people !” \*is \*unethical. And sad. Oh sorry, I thought you were taking their side that the media was unethical. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6166 "2015-09-01T19:07:53Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I agree they’re innocent until proven guilty but their attempt to turn public opinion against the media is rather creepy. It’s usially looked down upon when the authorities do that. It’s looked down upon when the Only Black Lives Matter cabal does it. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6167 "2015-09-01T19:50:41Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Jeez, their Facebook post couldn’t be more assholey. I’ve never seen a police department try to start a public campaign against the media. > > _Today, members of our local media chose to broadcast online unedited video of a man’s death. KSAT 12 paid a neighbor who filmed the tragedy $100 for the exclusive rights to the video. As a result, people from outside our community have bombarded us with inappropriate comments, and today, physical threats toward our deputies. These deputies have not been charged with a crime and a family lost their loved one. This is unethical and sad. Call KSAT and let them know what you think - (210) 351-1277. If you agree, let the local media know this sort of sensational behavior doesn’t fly in Bexar County._ [My underline] See, that’s the problem. Unedited video portraying these brave police in a negative light. If they had confiscated the neighbor’s video, all the uproar could have been avoided. Where’s **Smapti** been, anyway? He could expound on how this unedited video can’t possibly be the whole story. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6168 "2015-09-01T21:17:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m not sure the homeowner is an officer. I thought the homeowner AND an officer were wounded (and the dog killed). No, the homeowner didn’t shoot anyone. The wounded officer was a friendly fire situation–shot by another policeman. > [@](#): > > “Early investigation indicates that the injured officer was likely shot accidently by one of the other officers on the scene,” GBI officials said in a statement. > **[Investigators: Georgia officer likely shot by other officers after they...](https://www.chicagotribune.com/2015/09/01/investigators-georgia-officer-likely-shot-by-other-officers-after-they-entered-wrong-home/)** > > Police officers who arrived at the wrong Atlanta home after a report of suspicious activity shot the man who lives there, killed his dog and “likely” shot a fellow officer, leaving him … At least it wasn’t as bad as what happened previously: > [@](#): > > In 2006, Atlanta police officers killed a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid at her house. After getting an incorrect tip from a drug dealer, police used a no-knock warrant to enter Kathryn Johnston’s home. As the police officers tried getting inside, Johnston fired a single shot through the door with a rusty revolver. Police fired back 39 times, killing Johnston. > > Officers then tried covering up their mistake by planting bags of marijuana at the house. Three of the officers were sent to prison. The city paid a $4.9 million settlement to the slain woman’s family. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6169 "2015-09-01T21:44:49Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > At least it wasn’t as bad as what happened previously: > > > [@](#): > > > > Officers then tried covering up their mistake by planting bags of marijuana at the house. What was it Chevy Chase’s character said in _Foul Play_, “Cops have the best” ? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6170 "2015-09-01T22:03:35Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > At least it wasn’t as bad as what happened previously: And yet, some people just can’t understand why other people mistrust the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6171 "2015-09-01T22:09:07Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Where’s **Smapti** been, anyway? He could expound on how this unedited video can’t possibly be the whole story. There hasn’t been much in the last few pages to object to. It’s actually kind of a relief to see people focusing on _actual_ instances of police error/misconduct instead of kneejerk assumptions of “a white cop has shot a black person therefore **RACISM** ”. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6172 "2015-09-02T01:05:36Z")
That’s because they are running out of black people to shoot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6173 "2015-09-02T01:18:08Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > No, the homeowner didn’t shoot anyone. I didn’t say the homeowner had. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6174 "2015-09-02T02:13:47Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Jeez, their Facebook post couldn’t be more assholey. I’ve never seen a police department try to start a public campaign against the media. > > _Today, members of our local media chose to broadcast online unedited video of a man’s death. KSAT 12 paid a neighbor who filmed the tragedy $100 for the exclusive rights to the video. As a result, people from outside our community have bombarded us with inappropriate comments, and today, physical threats toward our deputies. These deputies have not been charged with a crime and a family lost their loved one. This is unethical and sad. Call KSAT and let them know what you think - (210) 351-1277. If you agree, let the local media know this sort of sensational behavior doesn’t fly in Bexar County._ That aggrieved statement is what really got me. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6175 "2015-09-02T04:04:14Z")
Remember the horse thief who got a colossal beating from about ten San Bernadino County Sheriff’s Deputies? I added the incident to this thread back in [April](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18277604#post18277604). Some [news](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-county-televised-beating-20150901-story.html) in that story today: > [@](#): > > Three of those deputies have now been charged with assault by a peace officer in connection with that beating. Nicholas Downey, 33; Charles Foster, 34; and Michael Phelps, 29, could face up to three years in prison. > > “I believe the deputies that were filed on today _ **crossed the line** _ under the color of authority,” San Bernardino County Dist. Atty. Mike Ramos said Tuesday. > > Ramos said the decision to prosecute was bolstered by the KNBC-TV video, which staff members examined frame by frame. One still — enlarged and on display in the district attorney’s office — showed Pusok lying on the ground with his hands behind his back as a deputy kicked him in the groin, Ramos said. Emphasis mine. They “crossed the line”? Whoa, there, counselor, don’t go all crazy on us now! Next you’ll be alleging that they might have engaged in some questionable judgment! On the one hand, it’s good that they were charged. On the other, i’m quite frankly stunned that the DA saw fit to charge only three of them. The beating went on for a full two minutes, blows were administered by more than just the three men who were charged, and none of the others made any effort to stop what they must (or at least should) have known was a completely excessive use of force. I love the spin the deputies’ lawyers are putting on this: > [@](#): > > The deputies each posted $50,000 bail Tuesday and were expected to be arraigned Tuesday. Their attorneys said their clients used the appropriate amount of force. One said that it was important to note that the video showed only an aerial view of the incident. > > “The officers had a head-on view, so to speak,” said Steven D. Sanchez, who represents Phelps. “Their vantage point is a lot different than what is seen on the helicopter camera. > > “What you don’t see in the video is the terrain, the bumps, the hills, the shrubbery, the dust that’s flying in the air from the propellers of the helicopter — there’s a lot of moving parts that are affecting the ability of the officers to perceive what’s going on.” Yes, i’m sure it’s true that a kick to the crotch or a blow to the head of a prone and handcuffed man _ **does** _ look a bit different when you’re at ground level. Especially if you’re the man having his head and his nuts stomped on. The victim in the case got a $650,000 payout from the county earlier in the year. I would have been tempted to go to court and ask for more. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6176 "2015-09-02T04:05:44Z")
The libtards have turned our once-great society over to a coven of criminal-coddling Kenyanists, as the comments on this communistic board clearly convey. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Cops responding burglary report go the the wrong house, [shoot the owner and kill his dog.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/atlanta-area-cop-critically-wounded-after-responding-wrong-home-n419236) > [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Riker’s Island guards ignore a diabetics pleas for help.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/nyregion/an-unanswered-call-for-help-at-rikers-island.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0) Watch the video as they step over his body as he lies in a heap, dying. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6177 "2015-09-02T08:22:25Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I love the spin the deputies’ lawyers are putting on this:Yes, i’m sure it’s true that a kick to the crotch or a blow to the head of a prone and handcuffed man _ **does** _ look a bit different when you’re at ground level. “Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning.” ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6178 "2015-09-03T10:30:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The libtards have turned our once-great society over to a coven of criminal-coddling Kenyanists, as the comments on this communistic board clearly convey. > > If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Are you taking the piss? Your comment doesn’t even apply to the first linked incident in which the shot man wasn’t even accused of a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6179 "2015-09-03T11:00:06Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Are you taking the piss? I was assuming so. Should I not be? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6180 "2015-09-03T11:39:55Z")
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