# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 318
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6341 "2015-09-17T21:55:14Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Cool, so what’s your argument? You basically agree with everyone in the thread. > > Except for the stupid “burning and looting” thing, but I guess you had to bring the IQ of your post down somehow. My position is that criminals have been known to lie. Posting one side of a story is not conclusive proof of anything. These particular criminals appear to be looking for sympathy (and a monetary settlement :rolleyes: ) because they were caught breaking laws and their actions bit them in the ass. (The dog bit them in the arms and legs.) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6342 "2015-09-17T21:59:40Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I wanted to know your possible qualification for coming up with such a bizarre statement as, “Everyone knows that the penalty for trespassing is to be eaten alive”. > > Do you know that “everyone knows” this? Do you know of a law that allows/suggests/demands trespassers be eaten alive? Have you even met “everyone”? Thick as a brick. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6343 "2015-09-17T21:59:53Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > My position is that criminals have been known to lie. Do police ever lie? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6344 "2015-09-17T22:15:03Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Thick as a brick. Jethro Tull is your qualification? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6345 "2015-09-17T22:17:04Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Do police ever lie? Posting one side of a story is not conclusive proof of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6346 "2015-09-17T22:20:26Z")
Oh hey ! The Smapti Show is back in town ! I used to love those guys when I was a kid ! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6347 "2015-09-17T22:46:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Posting one side of a story is not conclusive proof of anything. So you don’t want to answer the question. We all know why. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6348 "2015-09-17T23:15:57Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Posting one side of a story is not conclusive proof of anything. And the police should enjoy the benefit of the doubt because…? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6349 "2015-09-17T23:40:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That option went out the window when the kid decided not to behave like a reasonable adult. You can’t reason with someone whose response to a polite request is “Fuck you”. And we can’t reason with someone who thinks a kid should be held to the standard of an adult. **Smapti** , you are, as usual, completely irrational when discussing police use of force. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6350 "2015-09-17T23:41:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And we can’t reason with someone who thinks a kid should be held to the standard of an adult. He’s 16. We expect people to have learned things like “Don’t walk into traffic” and “Don’t tell the police to fuck off” by that age. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6351 "2015-09-17T23:53:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He’s 16. We expect people to have learned things like “Don’t walk into traffic” and “Don’t tell the police to fuck off” by that age. You’re an adult (I assume), and you haven’t learned the nuances of human concepts like basic morality, decency, empathy, compassion, justice, and the like. If an adult can be as broken as you, a teenager certainly can be much, much less so. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6352 "2015-09-18T11:56:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) (post shortened) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6353 "2015-09-18T14:42:56Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > And the police should enjoy the benefit of the doubt because…? I prefer to wait for all sides of a story to become known before deciding who is lying and who isn’t. Listening to two admitted criminals claim that they were mistreated as they were being apprehended for violating several laws doesn’t cause me to automatically jump to the conclusion that the police must be lying. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6354 "2015-09-18T14:43:59Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > (post shortened) (shortened) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6355 "2015-09-18T14:55:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If an adult can be as broken as you, a teenager certainly can be much, much less so. And as a good Democrat I think this is a great standard we should hold young adults too. “Oh, so you murdered four people? Well, that’s ok, you shouldn’t be punished because someone older than you murdered five people. Now go on your way young man, and remember, try not to murder FIVE people.” Yes, we good intelligent Democrats, sure have things figured out. Aren’t we all so smart and better than everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6356 "2015-09-18T15:37:24Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > And as a good Democrat I think this is a great standard we should hold young adults too. > > “Oh, so you murdered four people? Well, that’s ok, you shouldn’t be punished because someone older than you murdered five people. Now go on your way young man, and remember, try not to murder FIVE people.” > > Yes, we good intelligent Democrats, sure have things figured out. Aren’t we all so smart and better than everyone else. You sure comprehended the fuck out of his post. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6357 "2015-09-18T15:43:20Z")
♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ Such are promises All lies and jest Still, a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest ♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6358 "2015-09-18T15:44:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > ♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ > Such are promises > All lies and jest > Still, a man hears what he wants to hear > And disregards the rest > ♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ So, you think the guy should get a dog? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6359 "2015-09-18T15:47:15Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Thick as a brick. So! Where the hell was Biggles when you needed him last Saturday? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6360 "2015-09-18T16:12:26Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > And as a good Democrat I think this is a great standard we should hold young adults too. > > “Oh, so you murdered four people? Well, that’s ok, you shouldn’t be punished because someone older than you murdered five people. Now go on your way young man, and remember, try not to murder FIVE people.” > > Yes, we good intelligent Democrats, sure have things figured out. Aren’t we all so smart and better than everyone else. That’s one of the most towering men of straw I’ve ever seen. Truly you are a champion creator of hay people, and how powerful you are when you knock them down! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=317) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=319)