# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 319
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6361 "2015-09-18T22:45:22Z")
[The racist police officer who abused an elderly black man for walking with a golf-club cane has finally been shit-canned.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/16/elderly-man-arrested-for-walking-while-black-wins-a-small-victory-against-racist-cop-videos/) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6362 "2015-09-18T23:48:45Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [The racist police officer who abused an elderly black man for walking with a golf-club cane has finally been shit-canned.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/16/elderly-man-arrested-for-walking-while-black-wins-a-small-victory-against-racist-cop-videos/) Hell, that guy is lucky. According to the **S&S** twins, if he allegedly swung the golf club as a weapon, he should have been shot. For the officer’s safety, of course. I mean, how could she know what kinda golf handicap the guy had. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6363 "2015-09-19T00:48:46Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > Kamilah Brock says the New York City police sent her to a mental hospital for a hellish eight days, where she was forcefully injected with powerful drugs, essentially because [they couldn’t believe a black woman owned a BMW.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamilah-brock-nypd-bmw_55f2c9aae4b063ecbfa3e60d) > > Those questions came from an old book entitled, _Accessing a Patient’s Mental Competency: A Do-It-Yourself Guide to Soviet-style Psychiatric Care_. > > You could purchase it from the back of **Boy’s Life** –located between"Amazing X-Ray Glasses" and “Sea-Monkeys” I saw a couple of recent (Sept 2015) YouTube videos about this story. In fact, the incident occurred in 2014. [Snopes](http://m.snopes.com/2015/09/14/kam-brock-nypd-incident/) This would be an outrageous story, if things were as stated. However, the one year gap makes me wonder about that. This story has a short interview: [Huffington Post](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamilah-brock-nypd-bmw_55f2c9aae4b063ecbfa3e60d) I searched the NY Times, Newsday, and NY Daily News with the term Kamilah Brock and got no hits. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6364 "2015-09-19T01:21:21Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > I saw a couple of recent (Sept 2015) YouTube videos about this story. In fact, the incident occurred in 2014. > [Snopes](http://m.snopes.com/2015/09/14/kam-brock-nypd-incident/) > > This would be an outrageous story, if things were as stated. However, the one year gap makes me wonder about that. > > This story has a short interview: > [Huffington Post](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamilah-brock-nypd-bmw_55f2c9aae4b063ecbfa3e60d) > > I searched the NY Times, Newsday, and NY Daily News with the term Kamilah Brock and got no hits. Thanks for the update. I presumed the story was more current; but then again, it’s the Internet–_Caveat emptor_ still applies. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6365 "2015-09-19T04:47:45Z")
The Kamilah Brock story is current because her legal action is in progress right now, today. The fact that it happened a year ago is kind of insignificant, other than the fact that it apparently got negligible coverage at the time. But the thing that perplexes me about it is that she claims that they would not believe she owned a twelve year old BMW. I mean, those things hold their value for about half that long, a well-used BMW is not worth a whole lot more than a comparable Taurus, AFAIK. She must have been keeping that thing spit-polished. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6366 "2015-09-22T16:48:44Z")
I guess this isn’t controversial anymore, unless someone wants to argue that the cop was justified in shooting at random people:[ > [@](#): > > A former New York Police Department officer pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges he randomly fired 14 shots into another car after downing 10 alcoholic beverages while off-duty. > > Brendan Cronin, 28, pleaded guilty in Westchester County to attempted murder, assault and drunken driving in the April 29, 2014, shooting. > > Prosecutors said Joseph Felice and Robert Borrelli were stopped at a red light in Pelham when Cronin started firing at them. > > Felice was hit six times in the back, shoulder, arm and chest. The bullets missed Borrelli, who drove his friend to the hospital. ]([http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3acd7a175d5648b58a9b1f7782ac894c/ex-nyc-cop-pleads-guilty-randomly-firing-14-shots-car](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3acd7a175d5648b58a9b1f7782ac894c/ex-nyc-cop-pleads-guilty-randomly-firing-14-shots-car)) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6367 "2015-09-22T19:38:22Z")
43% accuracy? Sounds like he needs a bit of firearms training. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6368 "2015-09-22T19:40:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > 43% accuracy? Sounds like he needs a bit of firearms training. Did you see the part about 10 alcholic beverages? I’m surprised he could hit anything. But yeah, he can get remedial training once he leaves prison… ---
**Author:** ![KAndre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@KAndre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KAndre)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6369 "2015-09-23T14:37:09Z")
From an incident in [2013](http://www.wbez.org/news/ipra-fails-pursue-potential-crime-cops-caught-video-113018) (it was apparently a prostitution sting), Independent Police Review Authority only recommended a 25 day suspension for one officer and an 8 day suspension for another. Even though it looks like the reaction of the cops to the idea that they might be filmed is mainly working out how they can get rid of the evidence. So I would say the Chicago police should think the IPRA is on their side, but [apparently not](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/23/police-investigator-cops-beat-me-up.html). They pull him over, apparently find this (black) guy’s IPRA badge, turn off the camera, and assault him. He was charged with DUI (and acquitted at a bench trial - the cops wouldn’t even admit to having the video they recorded before they turned it off until discovery). Well, at least the beating wasn’t just because Roberts was black. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6370 "2015-09-23T17:26:34Z")
> [@](#): > > “No you’re not! You’re here on borrowed time,” Pasquale tells Klyzek. “So mind your fucking business before I shut this whole fucking place down. And I’ll take this place and whoever owns it will fucking kill you because they don’t care about you, OK? I’ll take this building. You’ll be dead and your whole family will be dead.” It’s amazing how quickly cops change their behavior when they realize they are on record. > [@](#): > > After realizing they were being recorded, the officers talk about how they could obtain the footage, not realizing it was stored off site. This is exactly why cops hate being recorded. They are used to being free to do and say pretty much anything, and having to control themselves isn’t part of the training. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6371 "2015-09-24T03:16:28Z")
From VICE: [Video Shows Cops Pulling Guns on Indiana Couple Driving to Hospital to Give Birth > [@](#): > > An Indiana couple who were on their way to the hospital to give birth claim that police officers unlawfully pulled them over and then pointed a gun at the pregnant woman’s belly while arresting the father-to-be so that he missed his daughter’s birth. ]([Video Shows Cops Pulling Guns on Indiana Couple Driving to Hospital to Give Birth](https://news.vice.com/article/video-shows-cops-pulling-guns-on-indiana-couple-driving-to-hospital-to-give-birth))The video includes profanity and name-calling by the officers, including threats to kill the husband. It includes directives from he police that are clearly punitive. And… > [@](#): > > The video also includes some remarkable audio: After the police realize that the couple really did have a medical emergency, one officer can be heard saying, twice, “I’ll get rid of the video.” Another officer, presumably Dandurand since it’s his cruiser’s dash cam video, can be heard saying, “Ah, I don’t care about the video.” The arresting officer was shown in court to have lied on his incident report; the video he didn’t care about was what proved his deceit. His chief later characterized the officer as a model employee who “should not be demonized for one unfortunate incident.” :dubious::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6372 "2015-09-24T03:29:48Z")
Model. Scuffed up, marked down, no returns. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6373 "2015-09-24T03:35:06Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > 43% accuracy? Sounds like he needs a bit of firearms training. When you look at the number of shots fired in some other incidents with no hits, 43% makes this guy a candidate for firearms instructor. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6374 "2015-09-25T02:28:28Z")
What, no one has noticed that the police let an inmate die in jail over a traffic ticket? Here is a Reason Magazine article which has the facts: [Man Jailed for Traffic Ticket Dies in Cell After 17 Days of Torture. Officers Watched It Happen.](https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/24/man-jailed-for-traffic-ticket-dies-in-ce) Apologies if people are allergic to libertarian publications. This is par for the course in our current pseudo-capitalistic justice system. Don’t get me wrong, I am a firm believer in capitalism and the free market, but any system that sets up an economic incentive to jail your own citizenry is an abomination under any political ideology. Even Smapti’s. At least I would hope so. I am also a firm believer in justice and I believe we should try to reform and even punish criminals, but the current system is not set up to do that. [John Oliver had a good summary of these issues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto) back in March after the whole Ferguson flare up. The system is set up to prey financially on those who are least defended. Justice seems to be a rare thing in our justice system. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6375 "2015-09-25T10:45:21Z")
Seems he had a gun in his waistband, was told to put it down and when he removed it from his waistband, the cops opened fire. Not sure how he was supposed to put it down without touching it, but that’s what the AP article says. [ > [@](#): > > Police Chief Bobby Cummings said Thursday that officers responded Wednesday afternoon to a report of a man who shot himself and 28-year-old Jeremy McDole was still armed with a handgun when they arrived. > > Cummings says officers approached McDole and asked him to put the weapon down. He says as McDole removed the gun from his waist, and officers “engaged him.” He says a .38-caliber gun was found by McDole’s side. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_POLICE\_SHOOTING\_WHEELCHAIR\_THE\_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-24-20-44-14](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_SHOOTING_WHEELCHAIR_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-24-20-44-14)) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6376 "2015-09-25T18:02:43Z")
No [finger gun story](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/24/maryland-man-fatally-shot-police-finger-gun) yet? Do not stick your hand into your waistband, pull out your finger, point at the police and go _pew pew pew_. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6377 "2015-09-25T18:40:33Z")
> [@](#): > > A statement on the college’s website says campus police reported that two gunmen, each in a van, pulled over near a group of people, got out and began firing, striking the four individuals. > **[Three people shot dead near University of Maryland, Baltimore campus](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/three-people-shot-dead-near-university-of-maryland-baltimore-campus)** > > Police say two gunmen, each in a van, pulled over near group of people and began firing, striking four individuals – three of whom died It was probably cops. Because everybody knows they are the ones to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6378 "2015-09-25T21:25:12Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No [finger gun story](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/24/maryland-man-fatally-shot-police-finger-gun) yet? Do not stick your hand into your waistband, pull out your finger, point at the police and go _pew pew pew_. If the police version of events is accurate, I’m laying the blame on the dead guy for this one. "If"s are pretty huge these days, though. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6379 "2015-09-27T04:43:28Z")
[Phone video clears man charged with assaulting cop — even after phone disappears](http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/09/23/phone-video-clears-man-charged-with-assaulting-cop-even-after-phone-disappears.html). Man is accused of assaulting a cop and the cops manage to “lose” his cellphone, containing a recording of the interaction. Luckily, the guy realized his phone auto upload video to the cloud and the subsequent video revealed that it had actually been the cops assaulting the man and then deliberately lying about it. The guy is lucky he was able to catch cops in a lie but you have to wonder how many people exactly like him are caught in this circumstance every day and don’t have the evidence to exonerate them? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6380 "2015-09-27T04:46:53Z")
Aye, he’s not the first person to find himself in that situation; that’s why I keep my phone set to upload all photos and videos to the cloud: just in case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=318) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=320)