# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 333
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6641 "2015-10-27T16:21:03Z")
Did you watch the video? The kid was verbally disruptive. Other than the usual admonitions from “authority”, no one attempted to intervene or talk her down from her line in the sand. If force was necessary at that point – and I’m not at all convinced that it was – a “reasonable force” would not be grabbing her violently by her hair?/collar? and wrestling her, chair and all, to the ground. She’s a kid who made a stupid choice to defy her teacher and act out in class. She isn’t a violent felon poised to commit mayhem. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6642 "2015-10-27T17:39:00Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The other kids weren’t disinterested, they were in fear of their lives. They knew that if they raised a fuss about it, psychopath cop would start filling the air with lead. You are as usual a retard. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6643 "2015-10-27T17:40:06Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Did you watch the video? The kid was verbally disruptive. Other than the usual admonitions from “authority”, no one attempted to intervene or talk her down from her line in the sand. I did not see the whole video (still at work). Saw a brief news teaser on the TV in the break room, which showed only the violence on the officer’s part. Which seemed excessive, I grant you. How long was the video? It would have to be pretty long for us to be sure that no one attempted to intervene or talk her down. All I see from the news story is that refused to leave the classroom. I have no idea what was said to her or how combative, verbally, the student was. I chalk this up to just another example of poor reporting. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6644 "2015-10-27T18:02:34Z")
[ > [@](#): > > Tony Robinson Jr., who recorded the final moments of the confrontation, told WLTX that it began when the teacher tried to confiscate a phone the girl took out during class. She refused, so he called an administrator, he said. > > “The administrator tried to get her to move and pleaded with her to get out of her seat. She still denied it. You know, she said she really hadn’t done anything wrong. She said she took her phone out, but it was only for a quick second, you know, please, she was begging, apologetic on what happened and everything,” Robinson said. > > "Next, the administrator called Deputy Fields in … he asked, ‘will you move,’ and she said ‘no, I haven’t done anything wrong,’ Robinson said. > > “And that is where it started, right there,” the student said. “When I saw what was going to happen, my immediate first thing to think was, let me get this on camera. This was going to be something … that everyone else needs to see, something that we can’t just let this pass by. That was wrong, and there’s no justifiable reason for him as to why he did that to that girl.” ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_TOSSED\_STUDENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-27-13-39-55](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TOSSED_STUDENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-27-13-39-55))That article mentions that another student who spoke out about Deputy Fields’ actions being out of line was also arrested. Further, the article lists 3 other complaints against Deputy Fields which involved alleged improper use of force and/or racial bias. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6645 "2015-10-27T18:12:48Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You are as usual a retard. So fear would not be a natural reaction when an armed psychopath starts throwing unarmed girls around? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6646 "2015-10-27T18:17:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So fear would not be a natural reaction when an armed psychopath starts throwing unarmed girls around? If they had the foresight to be drunk like our blue friend, then they would have the courage brought by the bottle. Shame on those kids for being sober. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6647 "2015-10-27T18:44:15Z")
Wonder how long before @POTUS invites her to bring her cool phone to the White House. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6648 "2015-10-27T18:45:31Z")
How long before South Carolina names a highway for the berserk cop? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6649 "2015-10-27T18:51:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Here’s a [South Carolina cop](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/spring-valley-high-school-student-flung-by-official-in-video_562e9e71e4b06317990f1927) using excessive force against a student for the crime of sitting while black. (post shortened. underline added.) The asshole student began using her phone in class. The black (you introduced color as part of this discussion) instructor/teacher asked phone asshole to stop using her phone in class because phone asshole was disrupting the class. Phone asshole refused. (Someone on CNN said) The Vice Principle was called to the classroom. The VP, or teacher, requested the deputy come to the classroom to deal with disruptive phone asshole. Phone asshole repeatedly refused multiple requests that she stop using her phone in class. Phone asshole repeatedly refused multiple requests to stop disrupting the class. Phone asshole repeatedly refused multiple requests to leave the classroom. The deputy helped the phone asshole leave the classroom. The only question I have is when will Obama invite phone asshole to the Whitehouse. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6650 "2015-10-27T18:55:46Z")
Well, apparently police, not content on beating on black civilians, has started beating on black cops too. [http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/black-ex-cop-says-he-and-his-son-were-beaten-by-racist-colleagues-who-mistook-him-for-fleeing-suspect/](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/black-ex-cop-says-he-and-his-son-were-beaten-by-racist-colleagues-who-mistook-him-for-fleeing-suspect/) “THIS OFFICER IS A HERO WHO ALSO IS AT FAULT FOR GETTING HIS ASS BEAT BY OUR HEROES”, was basically the police department’s answer. Like something straight out of an onion article. It’s come full circle now. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6651 "2015-10-27T19:05:11Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So fear would not be a natural reaction when an armed psychopath starts throwing unarmed girls around? I didn’t realize you were such a master practicioner of psychology that you could diagnose someone on the basis of a cell phone video. Perhaps you and Drudge could open a practice together. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6652 "2015-10-27T19:05:13Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I did not see the whole video (still at work). Saw a brief news teaser on the TV in the break room, which showed only the violence on the officer’s part. Which seemed excessive, I grant you. > > How long was the video? It would have to be pretty long for us to be sure that no one attempted to intervene or talk her down. All I see from the news story is that refused to leave the classroom. I have no idea what was said to her or how combative, verbally, the student was. I chalk this up to just another example of poor reporting. Once upon a time I was a high school teacher. I don’t claim to be the greatest ever, but I do know a bit about schools, students, and discipline. And frankly, there isn’t anything that student could have said, short of “I’m holding a bomb”, that could justify the violence the cop meted out. Telling the teacher to fuck off and die (which as I recall I heard myself a time or two) just doesn’t rise to the level of immediate threat of physical harm to justify what I think I’ve seen called a “felony takedown”. The reporting may have been incomplete, but the visible evidence of brutality against a girl sitting in a chair just isn’t acceptable, no matter what words may have come out of her mouth. And if **Bo** ’s cite provides factual detail, I’ll lead the campaign to have this cop ridden out of town on a rail. Bring your tar and feathers! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6653 "2015-10-27T19:13:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I didn’t realize you were such a master practicioner of psychology that you could diagnose someone on the basis of a cell phone video. > > Perhaps you and Drudge could open a practice together. It’s quite easy, actually. Picking up unarmed civilians and throwing them violently to the ground is proof of psychosis (or possibly temporary insanity). I don’t have a practice because I do not treat, I merely diagnose. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6654 "2015-10-27T19:15:58Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Picking up unarmed civilians and throwing them violently to the ground is proof of psychosis (or possibly temporary insanity). Unless you can cite the DSM-V on that, it seems that it’s far more likely to be proof of a public servant doing his job in restraining an uncooperative arrestee. > [@](#): > > I don’t have a practice because I do not treat, I merely diagnose. So I’ll just call you up as an expert witness the next time Ben Carson, Tom Coburn, and Bill Frist are unavailable, then. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6655 "2015-10-27T19:36:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened. underline added.) > > The asshole student began using her phone in class. The black (you introduced color as part of this discussion) instructor/teacher asked phone asshole to stop using her phone in class because phone asshole was disrupting the class. Phone asshole refused. (Someone on CNN said) The Vice Principle was called to the classroom. The VP, or teacher, requested the deputy come to the classroom to deal with disruptive phone asshole. > > Phone asshole repeatedly refused multiple requests that she stop using her phone in class. Phone asshole repeatedly refused multiple requests to stop disrupting the class. Phone asshole repeatedly refused multiple requests to leave the classroom. The deputy helped the phone asshole leave the classroom. > > The only question I have is when will Obama invite phone asshole to the Whitehouse. I assume you made all that up since it doesn’t comport with the eyewitness description I quoted above. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6656 "2015-10-27T20:25:34Z")
There is more than one video. You can find more here (yes, it is a pro-cop site and I saw it on a Cop’s FB page): [http://www.humanizingthebadge.com/blogs/htb-blog/73634627-bring-back-personal-responsibility](http://www.humanizingthebadge.com/blogs/htb-blog/73634627-bring-back-personal-responsibility) > [@](#): > > Here’s what we put together from the videos: > > Just because a video is on the internet doesn’t mean it’s the final or factual word > The second video CLEARLY depicts the school resource officer offering a peaceful resolution to the girl’s disobedience and disruption of the classroom that had been so much of a distraction the school determined a police officer needed to intervene. Again, the OFFICER didn’t call himself into this situation. > The final video shows that this “peaceful” student punches the officer in the face and forces HERSELF back in the chair, while the officer merely maintains physical control of her legs and left arm and ultimately places her on the ground and gets her in handcuffs. No punches, no kicks, no taser, no OC spray. Just minimal contact and control in order to get the situation resolved. > Use of force never looks pretty. Another person posted this: [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153650945190688&set=p.10153650945190688&type=3&theater](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153650945190688&set=p.10153650945190688&type=3&theater) Which is a screen cap (easily faked I agree) from a student providing more information on the situation (supposedly). I think I will wait for more information before I call for officer’s badge, or the student’s expulsion. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6657 "2015-10-27T20:37:55Z")
So nobody but the cops on that cop board (not even the local cops) are claiming she punched anyone in the face. Remember, these are the same people who posted up pictures from the pool party purporting to show that the cop NEVER pointed his gun at anyone, when the full videos clearly showed otherwise. Cop board lies about cop brutality and illegalities. Film at 11. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6658 "2015-10-27T20:39:36Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > So nobody but the cops on that cop board (not even the local cops) are claiming she punched anyone in the face. I guess “the cops on that cop board” must have also staged the video that _shows_ her punching him in the face. Someone at the station house must have friends at ILM. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6659 "2015-10-27T20:41:34Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > So nobody but the cops on that cop board (not even the local cops) are claiming she punched anyone in the face. > > Remember, these are the same people who posted up pictures from the pool party purporting to show that the cop NEVER pointed his gun at anyone, when the full videos clearly showed otherwise. > > Cop board lies about cop brutality and illegalities. Film at 11. Third video she takes a swing at him. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6660 "2015-10-27T21:12:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Unless you can cite the DSM-V on that, it seems that it’s far more likely to be proof of a public servant doing his job in restraining an uncooperative arrestee. > > So I’ll just call you up as an expert witness the next time Ben Carson, Tom Coburn, and Bill Frist are unavailable, then. You have a very loose definition of public servant. He could have very easily killed the girl had her head hit the floor when he violently assaulted her. You don’t want Carson for an expert witness, he’d have the jury asleep before finishing his first sentence. Bill Frist showed his medical incompetence in the Terry Schaivo case. Coburn’s a warmongering stooge who never saw a war he didn’t like. Scumbuckets, all three. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=332) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=334)