# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/661 "2015-01-10T23:16:44Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > I’m happy to go with the [dictionary definition of propaganda](http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/propaganda). To quote the Wikipedia article, “Defining propaganda has always been a problem”. The article puts forth two definitions… Garth Jowett and Victoria O’Donnell have provided a concise, workable definition of the term: “Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist.” More comprehensive is the description by Richard Alan Nelson: “Propaganda is neutrally defined as a systematic form of purposeful persuasion that attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified target audiences for ideological, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of one-sided messages (which may or may not be factual) via mass and direct media channels. A propaganda organization employs propagandists who engage in propagandism—the applied creation and distribution of such forms of persuasion.” Note that both definitions include “systematic”. I don’t see how one video broadcast on one fox affiliate (VERY different from being broadcast on Fox News itself) can possibly qualify. Honestly, I think you’re responding to something that isn’t there at all, which is the use of that video as a cudgel to try to win the argument for the pro-police side. I can certainly imagine that happening, and if it does, it would almost certainly be both dishonest and propaganda, but as it stands you’re responding to something that just isn’t there. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/662 "2015-01-11T14:10:14Z")
:dubious: I have no interest whatsoever in endlessly debating whether or not the video was propaganda or not, especially the validity of the word ‘systematic’ and whether it applies in this case or not. Sorry. Life’s too short. In other words; I think it’s propaganda, you don’t. Whatever. Everyone can watch it and/or read the article if they so choose, and decide for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/663 "2015-01-12T17:42:01Z")
I searched “Iowa” in this thread and it came back negative - so SIAP. White University of Iowa student get busted. Cop thought, however, that he was Hispanic. Cops lies shown by their own dash cam. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/aaREYiWMM9c/hqdefault.jpg "UI Student Speaks After Police Take Down") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaREYiWMM9c) No “near miss”; [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/tSg-6tWUI54/maxresdefault.jpg "Absolutely No Car") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg-6tWUI54) Gets abused even though his hands are on his head and he repeated screamed so: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebrxd4qROd0) Here’s his Q&A from the comment section of the video. (I hope this extensive quote does not violate any rule here. It’s not from a published source.) 1. Q: Did you edit the video in any way? A: No. The video is presented exactly as it was given to me. Absolutely nothing is cut from the beginning of the video and it only ends when I am in handcuffs. 2. Q: It’s not obvious that you didn’t nearly get hit by the car in the video since the part isn’t visible on the screen. Are you sure you didn’t get hit by a car? A: We’ve got the interior camera from the police car which faces to the rear. I was absolutely not almost hit by a car. Here’s a link to that: [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg-6)… 3. Q: Why didn’t you put your hands on your back as the police officer told you to? A: The original police officer did not tell me to do that. In fact, I had yelled that my hands were on my head with absolutely no objection from Officer Hall over 25 times. It was only after four police officers were on top of me that a completely different officer shouted for me to put my hands on my back. By that time I was physically hurt, had four police on my back, and was terrified. 4. Q: Why did you put your hands on your head in the first place? A: I thought it was the least threatening position you can get in. You can’t hurt anyone while you’re laying down with your hands on your head. It’s simply not possible. 5. Q: Why do you end the movie there? A: Because the footage they gave me goes on for another 40 minutes. I had to end it somewhere and ending it at the time I was put in handcuffs seemed like the logical choice. 6. Q: Why does the police officer have to yell at you to get on your stomach in the beginning? A: That’s the position the officer body threw me on the ground into. 7. Q: You’re a liar! You were really just shouting that whole time while you were actually resisting. Your hands weren’t really on your head the whole time, were they? A: There is video from the other police officer’s dashcam’s as well that shows me laying on the ground. In addition, the police readily acknowledge that my hands were on my head. No one is disputing that claim. There’s another video under my account where Officer Hall acknowledges that my hands were on my head. You can find that here: [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iIAY)… 8. Q: Why didn’t you just comply with the officer’s questions? Why did you ask if you were free to go? A: I was well within my rights to ask that question. If you ask any lawyer, that is the absolute best thing I could have said. Every single lawyer will tell you to ask the exact same thing if you ever have to talk to a police officer. 9. Q: You seem to know a lot about the law. Do you have a criminal record? A: I’ve got a speeding ticket from over six years ago. That’s it. I just live with a law student. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/664 "2015-01-13T03:04:08Z")
I searched, not sure if this case has been discussed here. I didn’t know about it until I read it on NPR. James Boyd was a mentally ill homeless man who was illegally camping last March. He was shot and killed by police after being hit with a flashbang grenade and not subsequently dropping the pocket knives he was holding. The altercation was caught on one of the officer’s helmet cams. They’ve just been charged with murder. > **[Albuquerque Police Officers Face Murder Charges Over 2014 Shooting](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/12/376767254/albuquerque-police-officers-face-murder-charges-over-2014-shooting)** > > James Boyd, 38, was killed after being confronted for illegally camping in the city's foothills. Months later, two officers who shot him are being charged with murder. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/665 "2015-01-14T03:35:42Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I searched, not sure if this case has been discussed here. I didn’t know about it until I read it on NPR. James Boyd was a mentally ill homeless man who was illegally camping last March. He was shot and killed by police after being hit with a flashbang grenade and not subsequently dropping the pocket knives he was holding. The altercation was caught on one of the officer’s helmet cams. They’ve just been charged with murder. > > [Albuquerque Police Officers Face Murder Charges Over 2014 Shooting : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/12/376767254/albuquerque-police-officers-face-murder-charges-over-2014-shooting) …I saw that video a while ago, and my mouth just dropped in disbelief. I see no compelling reason why the police had to open fire here. I’m glad it is going to trial, [but now the police are going after the DA.](http://www.koat.com/news/da-brandenburgs-son-now-out-of-jail/30686940) ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/666 "2015-01-14T05:06:58Z")
Maybe the real problem is that the current group of US cops lacks toughness. In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekWWwFBvIfc), a Russian cop disarms a guy trying to hit him with a shovel. I suspect way too many American cops would have simply shot the guy in orange. Some of the comments say it was staged. I have no idea. Maybe it was. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/667 "2015-01-14T11:33:49Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Reasonable and perhaps prudent, absolutely. It’s _not_ reasonable for an officer to open fire based on an _assumption_, though. It’s only reasonable because of the gun laws in the US. There are arguments for those gun laws, and I think some of them are valid, and also I recognise that “they’re taking away our guns” is basically a flashpoint for “the govt is going to take away ALL our rights,” for some people. But police in the UK wouldn’t be justified in assuming someone has a gun because the odds are they won’t. You can legally own some types of shotgun and rifle, so there have been killings involving those weapons, but they’re not the sort of thing you can hide in your jacket and then pull out. So the police assuming someone has a gun is a necessary outcome of allowing nearly anyone to own a gun, so much so that even if you weren’t allowed to own a gun it’d be pretty easy to take one from someone who was. > [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Cops caught lying](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMoTfLykVcA) > > Cops tried to suppress the dash cam video, but it came out and saved the victim. > > How many times are people falsely arrested and not saved by videos? Scary thought. > > Last one. Merry Christmas. I like how they kept saying “stop resisting arrest” as if saying that would make it all OK for the dashcam, like an older brother saying “stop hitting yourself.” The video thing also makes me think that “why would someone be holding out a mobile phone?”, as brought up by someone else in this thread, has an obvious answer. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/668 "2015-01-16T17:54:42Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I searched, not sure if this case has been discussed here. I didn’t know about it until I read it on NPR. James Boyd was a mentally ill homeless man who was illegally camping last March. He was shot and killed by police after being hit with a flashbang grenade and not subsequently dropping the pocket knives he was holding. The altercation was caught on one of the officer’s helmet cams. They’ve just been charged with murder. > > [Albuquerque Police Officers Face Murder Charges Over 2014 Shooting : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/12/376767254/albuquerque-police-officers-face-murder-charges-over-2014-shooting) Same group of cops. One of 'em shoots an undercover officer multiple times. [Albuquerque PD](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/12/1357274/-Albuquerque-police-lieutenant-shoots-undercover-police-officer-mutable-times?detail=email) > [@](#): > > In the aftermath of the shooting, the car doors where Bailey and Vester were sitting were open, but police haven’t released details about any perceived threat or why the lieutenant opened fire. The complaint makes no mention of the suspects having a gun at the scene. > > \*The Albuquerque Police Department has been under scrutiny from the Justice Department for the high number of police shootings of unarmed suspects, and using excessive force. \* One wonders if they’re getting their stories straight before giving out a narrative. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/669 "2015-01-16T18:40:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Investigators say a former Colorado police officer shot and killed a man in the back after stopping him on the street and following him to his home. > > James Ashby has been charged with second-degree murder in the October shooting death of 27-year-old Jack Jacquez in the rural community of Rocky Ford. [http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Records-Officer-charged-with-murder-shot-man-in-6020415.php](http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Records-Officer-charged-with-murder-shot-man-in-6020415.php) Court documents: > **[Google Drive: Sign-in](https://accounts.google.com/v3/signin/identifier?continue=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F0BzcU8PBvPpSyRWw3MHpkQk93aWc%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&followup=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F0BzcU8PBvPpSyRWw3MHpkQk93aWc%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&ifkv=AcMMx-de44w1xsC8rhMpYd1c-0fP_T5L-YE9zPIqPrlvem68PnvPoGSkhk1HVcMEJWbhi5y4qIbW&osid=1&passive=1209600&service=wise&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=ServiceLogin&dsh=S-1507705763%3A1733634708055493&ddm=1)** > > Access Google Drive with a Google account (for personal use) or Google Workspace account (for business use). ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/670 "2015-01-16T19:54:34Z")
[Brooklyn police officers investigated for planting guns](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/nyregion/charges-dismissed-in-brooklyn-gun-case-as-police-are-investigated.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=1) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/671 "2015-01-17T20:44:57Z")
[This](http://www.salon.com/2015/01/16/florida_pd_uses_mug_shots_of_black_men_for_target_practice/) could be part of the problem. Florida officers using mug shots of blacks for target practice. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/672 "2015-01-17T22:16:38Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I saw that video a while ago, and my mouth just dropped in disbelief. I see no compelling reason why the police had to open fire here. I’m glad it is going to trial, [but now the police are going after the DA.](http://www.koat.com/news/da-brandenburgs-son-now-out-of-jail/30686940) A DA found some integrity? I’m suspicious. What’s her angle? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/673 "2015-01-17T22:59:25Z")
[Cops admit to beating up the wrong black guy.](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/17/3612876/police-beat-wrong-person/) ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/674 "2015-01-17T23:29:35Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > I searched “Iowa” in this thread and it came back negative - so SIAP. > > White University of Iowa student get busted. Cop thought, however, that he was Hispanic. Cops lies shown by their own dash cam. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaREYiWMM9c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaREYiWMM9c) > > No “near miss”; > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg-6tWUI54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg-6tWUI54) > > Gets abused even though his hands are on his head and he repeated screamed so: > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebrxd4qROd0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebrxd4qROd0) > Here’s his Q&A from the comment section of the video. (I hope this extensive quote does not violate any rule here. It’s not from a published source.) > > 1. Q: Did you edit the video in any way? > A: No. The video is presented exactly as it was given to me. Absolutely nothing is cut from the beginning of the video and it only ends when I am in handcuffs. > > 2. Q: It’s not obvious that you didn’t nearly get hit by the car in the video since the part isn’t visible on the screen. Are you sure you didn’t get hit by a car? > A: We’ve got the interior camera from the police car which faces to the rear. I was absolutely not almost hit by a car. Here’s a link to that: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg-6](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg-6)… > > […] > . FWIW I watched the student’s presentation of the police cam and thought the officer came off much better than the student. Based on the video I would have guessed that the guy was intoxicated and maybe mentally deficient. The cop seemed polite until he grew exasperated, he didn’t seem bullying. If the student was as oblivious as his taped responses make him seem, i can totally believe a Campus Cop was worried about his safety. The student walked away from the cop and the cop car, ignoring the cop telling him to stop many times. Then the student was talking like he was taking stimulants, talking compulsively, asking if he was free to go before the cop could establish anything like a dialog. I haven’t read anything else about the incident, or what injuries were sustained, but the student seemed pretty well separated from normal reality. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/675 "2015-01-19T13:08:40Z")
Anyone hear about [this one](http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/17/us/oklahoma-police-chief/)? This time it’s the (black) police chief who got shot and the (white) civilian who did the shooting. > [@](#): > > Sentinel Police Chief Louis Ross was shot Thursday morning after he entered a house looking for the person who allegedly phoned in a bomb threat to a Head Start center, CNN affiliate KFOR reported. > > Ross was shot by the man living in the house, KFOR said. The chief had just donned a protective vest, which is credited with saving his life, the OSBI said in a press release. His condition was not available Saturday night. > > “The man who shot and wounded the Sentinel police chief will not be arrested at this time,” the release said. “OSBI investigators have extensively interviewed the man. Facts surrounding the case lead agents to believe the man was unaware it was officers who made entry.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/676 "2015-01-21T21:29:51Z")
[ > [@](#): > > In the video, tensions flare as Days tells his partner about the gun and starts yelling, “Show me your hands!” The driver, Leroy Tutt, raises his hands immediately. Reid does not at first. > > Days, still yelling, reaches into the car and appears to remove a gun. > > “I’m going to shoot you,” Days shouts, at one point addressing Reid by his first name. “You’re going to be f—ing dead. If you reach for something, you’re going to be f—ing dead.” > > Days tells his partner, “He’s reaching for something.” > > Faintly on the video, Reid can be heard telling the officer, “I ain’t doing nothing. I’m not reaching for nothing, bro. I ain’t got no reason to reach for nothing.” > > Then one of the men in the car tells the officer, “I’m getting out and getting on the ground.” > > The officer again orders Reid not to move. Seconds later, Reid emerges from the car, raising his hands, which appear to be empty. Both officers fire immediately, shooting at least six rounds. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_NJ\_POLICE\_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-21-13-55-34](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NJ_POLICE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-21-13-55-34)) Why did the police escalate this traffic stop so much that it resulted in one man’s death? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/677 "2015-01-21T21:48:03Z")
I shouldn’t be opening up this thread any more, it’s so upsetting. Anyone feel the same? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/678 "2015-01-21T22:04:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [url=[http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_NJ\_POLICE\_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-21-13-55-34](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NJ_POLICE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-21-13-55-34)] > Why did the police escalate this traffic stop so much that it resulted in one man’s death? I think it had to do with the fact that 1) the guy had a gun in his car, 2) he did not follow instructions, and 3) he was personally known to the cops to be a career criminal. Not a good combination if you’re hoping for restraint by the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/679 "2015-01-22T16:44:59Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I shouldn’t be opening up this thread any more, it’s so upsetting. Anyone feel the same? All the time, and yet I can’t seem to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/680 "2015-01-22T17:52:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [url=[http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_NJ\_POLICE\_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-21-13-55-34](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NJ_POLICE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-21-13-55-34)] > Why did the police escalate this traffic stop so much that it resulted in one man’s death? 1. The police didn’t escalate it. 2. When the police tell you not to move you don’t move. What do you think the cop thinks when they have a gun pointed at you and they tell you not to move and then you get out of the car, “Oh this nice man must be getting out to do some yoga and not to hurt me even though I know they have one gun that I already took away so there is no way in the world they might have another, no, he’s getting out to stretch and do some yoga.”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=35)