# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 344
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6861 "2015-11-01T20:46:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _Even if cops die?!_ A rapist who happens to be a cop is not the same thing as a cop performing his duties. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6862 "2015-11-01T21:00:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > A rapist who happens to be a cop is not the same thing as a cop performing his duties. Somehow this is different when it comes to physical assault? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6863 "2015-11-01T21:02:11Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Somehow this is different when it comes to physical assault? It’s almost as if there were a difference between legal behavior and illegal behavior, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6864 "2015-11-01T22:35:52Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Don’t be silly. Obviously at that point the cop gets to shoot first in pre-emptive self-defence. After all, they are being threatened by a violent perp with a gun and dangerous sharp implements close to their genitals. Phew, I was afraid Smapti was backing away from his stance that cops should shoot everybody on scene in pre-emptive self defense, because if he did, _nothing in this thread would make sense any more!_ ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6865 "2015-11-01T23:10:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > A rapist who happens to be a cop is not the same thing as a cop performing his duties. I am encouraged that we’ve made this degree of progress, and that you now acknowledge that a cop may be a significant threat to an innocent person. However, I must point out your previous comment that: > [@Smapti](#): > > in your half-asleep and undressed state are not going to be able to fight off a band of armed intruders and it is in your best interest to lie still and present no threat. So if someone is being raped by a cop they are incapable of fighting off, should they just lie still and take it? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6866 "2015-11-01T23:18:12Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > So if someone is being raped by a cop they are incapable of fighting off, should they just lie still and take it? Is there a point in fighting someone you are incapable of fighting? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6867 "2015-11-01T23:27:15Z")
Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6868 "2015-11-01T23:29:03Z")
Yes. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6869 "2015-11-01T23:36:12Z")
Thirded. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Ji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Shin\_Ji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Ji)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6870 "2015-11-01T23:44:57Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Any parent who had a little conversation with their child about how quickly that cellphone can be turned off for misusing it, using it during class, creating a disturbance with it, etc., would not face this situation. > > If one of my kids had done any such thing, that cell phone would have been orbiting Mars about now. And that would be regardless of who bought it or paid for the service. I realize this child lived in a foster home, but nonetheless, rules need to come from the home front too. So, you’re saying her mom should rise from her grave to deliver this incredibly important message? Are you aware that her mom and grandmother had just died a few months prior to this? I mean, fuck. Black girls don’t ever get to have bad days, do they? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6871 "2015-11-01T23:50:14Z")
I don’t think I’d have the courage to do this, but I like imagining I’d have the guts to bite the cop’s penis. Preferably off. Then run like the wind. If I get away, I can tell the authorities that a rapey cop is getting stitched up at the ER right as we speak, and I’d like to press charges. If the cop kills me and tries to pass it off as another “I thought she was reaching for a gun!” incident, he’s going to have some plaining to do about all that blood in his crotch area and the weiner laying their on the ground. Women are told to defend themselves when it comes to other sexual assaults. I don’t think cop rapists should be treated any differently. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6872 "2015-11-02T00:21:56Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Is there a point in fighting someone you are incapable of fighting? Is there a point in living without ? ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6873 "2015-11-02T00:29:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Sorry, I don’t swing that way and I don’t condone that kind of behavior from the police. I have said before that if a cop were to demand such a thing of one, it would be prudent for the sake of one’s own safety to comply and then sue the hell out of the officer and the department later. Do you have any other tips? Cup the balls? Hum? Finger in the ass? What do they usually like? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6874 "2015-11-02T00:31:32Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Please provide the URL for the video where you saw this, and the time stamp. Sheriff's statement at approximately 1:20 Also: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgH5R07MWv0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgH5R07MWv0) ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6875 "2015-11-02T00:32:33Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You doubted yourself on the basis of something that _ **Clothahump** _ said!? I think you may need to boost your self-esteem…😉 Wow, Colibri. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6876 "2015-11-02T00:33:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Your problem isn’t that you don’t live in the real world. Your problem is that you have the intellect of a mildly retarded sea cucumber. Missed this one earlier. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6877 "2015-11-02T00:35:22Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Répétez s’il vous plait: _cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance_. Thanks for acknowledging that I do know what I’m talking about when it comes to the use of force, and that you don’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6878 "2015-11-02T00:36:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sheriff's statement at approximately 1:20 > > Also: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgH5R07MWv0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgH5R07MWv0) ??? I don’t see anything that could be called a punch in the face from the girl to the officer. I see the officer wrapped around the girl from behind and the girl struggling before she is slammed backwards, desk and all. Are you saying that because she was struggling _after_ being wrapped up from behind by the officer, that it justifies a backwards desk/body slam of a child? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6879 "2015-11-02T01:41:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She repeatedly disobeyed him and left him no choice but to compel her to obey him. Teenagers are generally not known for making the best choices. Adults should be expected to exercise prudence in their choices and weigh all options. Police should be trained in how to assess all avenues available and choose the best course of action. Surely that has to be an essential part of policing. If you have “no choice,” you are not in control and you cannot be an effective police officer. I posit that an officer who feels he has “no choice” but to cause grievous harm to an uncooperative teenager is not well qualified for his job. > [@Clothahump](#): > > The amount of force he used was quite reasonable. Mercy is for the weak, eh sensei? > [@Clothahump](#): > > Oh, and **Bryan**? Fuck off. Oh, be _nice_, you! ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/6880 "2015-11-02T01:44:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Is there a point in fighting someone you are incapable of fighting? [QUOTE=Moses] If a man is caught in town having sex with an engaged woman who isn’t screaming for help, they both must be put to death. The man is guilty of having sex with a married woman.[a] And the woman is guilty because she didn’t call for help, even though she was inside a town and people were nearby. Take them both to the town gate and stone them to death. You must get rid of the evil they brought into your community. [/QUOTE] > **[Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 22:23-24 - Contemporary English Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:23-24&version=CEV)** > > If a man is caught in town having sex with an engaged woman who isn't screaming for help, they both must be put to death. The man is guilty of having sex with a married woman. And the woman is guilty because she didn't call for help, even though she... The worst thing about Sharia Law is that it stole so much from the Bible, without giving it the credit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=343) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=345)