# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 353
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7041 "2015-11-14T17:16:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Of course you agree. I’ve been watching news reports from much of the civilized world and have noticed that beheadings, mutilations, starvation, cattle prods, and other electrical tortures are used in many so-called civilized countries. But they don’t seem to TASER anyone. That you consider countries that practice torture as civilized is telling. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7042 "2015-11-14T17:38:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That you consider countries that practice torture as civilized is telling. Hahahaha. Didn’t I say, “so-called civilized”? Why, yes I did. Your inability to read is also telling. Better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7043 "2015-11-14T17:49:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Didn’t I say, “so-called civilized”? Why, yes I did. Your inability to read is also telling. Better luck next time. If you don’t think they are civilized, what difference does it make if they use torture but not tasers? We expect that from uncivilized countries, so your post is irrational. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7044 "2015-11-14T19:24:38Z")
Doorhinge unhinged? Sway it isn’t so. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7045 "2015-11-15T04:58:34Z")
Sooooo…this seems [a tad excessive.](http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhrc9M22a26PwPA3D7) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7046 "2015-11-15T19:16:17Z")
[Indiana Reserve Officer Accused of Rape, Human Trafficking](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/indiana-reserve-officer-accused-rape-human-trafficking-35219062) > [@](#): > > A reserve officer with a central Indiana police department faces preliminary charges of rape, human trafficking and battery. > > Fishers Police Department said Lonny Jordan Hatland was arrested Saturday at his home. > > Authorities say the Indiana Department of Child Services contacted officers about “a juvenile suffering from various injuries” who later told authorities that she was assaulted by a man — later identified as Hatland — and that he had coerced her into having sex with other men. > > The 42-year-old Hatland had been reserve officer with the Muncie Police Department since 1994. Muncie’s police chief says Hatland has been removed from the unit. > > Hatland was in the Hamilton County Jail on Sunday. His bond is set at $52,500. > > It was not immediately known whether Hatland had an attorney. Another super hero, eh, **Smapti**? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7047 "2015-11-15T19:20:07Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Sooooo…this seems [a tad excessive.](http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhrc9M22a26PwPA3D7) It’s those damn videos that prevent our heroic LEO’s from giving a suspect a good ole ass beatin’. These videos will only lead to Anarchy, I tells ya… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7048 "2015-11-16T11:24:43Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > [Indiana Reserve Officer Accused of Rape, Human Trafficking](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/indiana-reserve-officer-accused-rape-human-trafficking-35219062) > > Another super hero, eh, **Smapti**? I’m sorry. You seem to have confused me with someone who believes police should be allowed to rape people. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7049 "2015-11-16T11:42:37Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Doorhinge unhinged? Sway it isn’t so. All right, buster. You just made the List. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7050 "2015-11-16T12:24:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m sorry. You seem to have confused me with someone who believes police should be allowed to rape people. So cops murdering people is just fine, but you draw the line at rape. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7051 "2015-11-16T13:43:40Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So cops murdering people is just fine, but you draw the line at rape. Got it. No, cops shouldn’t be murdering people either. The overwhelming majority of police killings are not “murders”, however. ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7052 "2015-11-16T18:29:00Z")
For the present, American juries are not going to treat them as murderers. I think there needs to be a special class of prisons constructed so that when [cops shoot someone with a towel around their arm (June 2015 story)](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-man-with-towel-on-arm-shot-in-head-by-lapd-20150620-story.html) for example, juries would be willing to send them there. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7053 "2015-11-16T19:26:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No, cops shouldn’t be murdering people either. The overwhelming majority of police killings are not “murders”, however. All shootings are justified until such time that a video is uploaded to youtube. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7054 "2015-11-17T15:55:06Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > All right, buster. You just made the List. There’s a list? :eek: Sway it isn’t so. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7055 "2015-11-19T13:45:04Z")
From the [NYT](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/18/us/ap-us-mississippi-custody-death.html?_r=1): “An independent autopsy shows a Tennessee man died in Mississippi police custody because he was hog-tied for an extended period …Goode was left hog-tied and on his stomach for an extended period after his July 18 arrest in Southaven… The autopsy shows that Goode had trouble breathing in that position and when his heart couldn’t compensate, it went into cardiac arrhythmia and killed him… Goode was 6 feet-1-inch tall and weighed 150 lbs.” The police initially claimed that Goode died because of an LSD overdose. Nope, he died because the police killed him. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7056 "2015-11-19T13:51:05Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > The police initially claimed that Goode died because of an LSD overdose. I suppose there has to be a first. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7057 "2015-11-19T14:02:23Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > The police initially claimed that Goode died because of an LSD overdose. Nope, he died because the police killed him. If he hadn’t taken LSD, he wouldn’t have had to have been physically restrained. His death is a direct consequence of his decision to break the law. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7058 "2015-11-19T14:10:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If he hadn’t taken LSD, he wouldn’t have had to have been physically restrained. His death is a direct consequence of his decision to break the law. Do you realize that you’re evil? I don’t mean that in a figurative sense, I mean that you’re literally evil. Thankfully you’re just a pathetic loser on the internet; if you had any real power you’d be destroying other people’s lives right now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7059 "2015-11-19T14:17:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If he hadn’t taken LSD, he wouldn’t have had to have been physically restrained. His death is a direct consequence of his decision to break the law. Right – once someone has broken the law, the police can restrain someone in any way they choose, even deadly ways. Right, **Smapti**? The police have no responsibility to restrain people in ways that don’t kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7060 "2015-11-19T14:21:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If he hadn’t taken LSD, he wouldn’t have had to have been physically restrained. His death is a direct consequence of his decision to break the law. And with that you’ve just argued that the police can dispense a death sentence if you break any law. Good work! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=352) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=354)