# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 356
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7101 "2015-11-20T20:36:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > So you’re just trying to start fight that you have no intention of being a part of. How brave of you. I _wish_ I had the braveness/strength/resolve/means/etc that these BLM folks do. Make no mistake, those who are getting facefulls of pepper spray and cold nights in jail cells are the strong ones. They are fighting for their rights. I can only clap from my desk in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7102 "2015-11-20T21:07:48Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I _wish_ I had the braveness/strength/resolve/means/etc that these BLM folks do. Make no mistake, those who are getting facefulls of pepper spray and cold nights in jail cells are the strong ones. They are fighting for their rights. To paraphrase an old saying; They locked up Mandela. They locked up Thoreau. They also locked up Dahmer. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7103 "2015-11-20T21:40:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If some of the incidents may have been justified, that doesn’t take anything away from the larger point. Don’t be ridiculous, of course it takes away from a point when your example doesn’t show what you claim. > [@](#): > > I trust that black people, as a group, aren’t any more dishonest about how they are truly treated in America then they were 50, 100, or 200 years ago… BLM isn’t black people as a group. They are a bunch of loud, disruptive bozos who pitch a tantrum whenever some other disruptive bozo gets his disruptive ass shot, providing it is a black disruptive ass. If BLM wants to say that innocent black people are getting shot, then they need to wait until some innocent black guy gets shot before they block off the freeway. Some dimwitted fuck beats up his woman and grabs for a cop’s gun, and gets his dumb ass shot. Like I’m gonna miss _Wheel of Fortune_ for that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7104 "2015-11-20T22:40:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Don’t be ridiculous, of course it takes away from a point when your example doesn’t show what you claim. It doesn’t take away from the point that black people are disproportionately mistreated by police. > [@](#): > > BLM isn’t black people as a group. They are a bunch of loud, disruptive bozos who pitch a tantrum whenever some other disruptive bozo gets his disruptive ass shot, providing it is a black disruptive ass. > > If BLM wants to say that innocent black people are getting shot, then they need to wait until some innocent black guy gets shot before they block off the freeway. > > Some dimwitted fuck beats up his woman and grabs for a cop’s gun, and gets his dumb ass shot. Like I’m gonna miss _Wheel of Fortune_ for that. > > Regards, > Shodan Black people as a group pretty overwhelmingly assert that they are mistreated by police and the justice system in general. If BLM isn’t perfect that doesn’t matter to this point. Focusing on any possible mistakes of BLM, which are _infinitely_ less important and less bad than mistakes and problems with the justice system, is just a way to ignore the issue – just like focusing on supposedly violent black activists in the 60s was a way to avoid the real Civil Rights problems. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7105 "2015-11-21T00:48:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Don’t be ridiculous, of course it takes away from a point when your example doesn’t show what you claim. > BLM isn’t black people as a group. They are a bunch of loud, disruptive bozos who pitch a tantrum whenever some other disruptive bozo gets his disruptive ass shot, providing it is a black disruptive ass. > > If BLM wants to say that innocent black people are getting shot, then they need to wait until some innocent black guy gets shot before they block off the freeway. > > Some dimwitted fuck beats up his woman and grabs for a cop’s gun, and gets his dumb ass shot. Like I’m gonna miss _Wheel of Fortune_ for that. > > Regards, > Shodan For the record, I agree with you that some of the cases BLM has come forward to protest have been bullshit. That said, to dismiss them as a “bunch of loud, disruptive bozos” is a bit beyond the pale as is not supported by the evidence. The majority of African Americans in this country are upstanding citizens and the disparity in their treatment by the US justice system is an issue that we, as Americans, should resolve. I have no desire to defend “dimwitted fucks” as you call them (and we could probably reach agreement on a definition here), but only a moron could look at the statistics and deny that there is not a racial bias, or maybe a class bias, in our justice system. Recognizing this does not put me lock step with BLM, but you dismissing them as bozos makes you look like a moron. Just MHO. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7106 "2015-11-24T16:58:38Z")
[Chicago cop charged with first degree murder of student](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/us/laquan-mcdonald-chicago-shooting-video/index.html) [Video to be released today in year old shooting](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-cop-shooting-video-laquan-mcdonald-charges-20151124-story.html) Kid was armed with a knife and was shot 16 times. > [@](#): > > McDonald’s autopsy found he was shot once on each side of his chest and suffered single bullet wounds in the scalp and neck, two in his back, seven in his arms, one in his right hand and two in his right leg. According to the report, nine of the 16 entrance wounds had a downward or slightly downward trajectory. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7107 "2015-11-24T17:11:19Z")
The City Fathers were on tv last night begging people not to riot when the video is released. The city has been sitting on the video for a year, and the cop has kept his job during that time. Sounds like this one could be real bad. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7108 "2015-11-24T19:15:31Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Video to be released today in year old shooting](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-cop-shooting-video-laquan-mcdonald-charges-20151124-story.html) I liked this quote" > [@](#): > > “Everything is being taken from us, nothing is being given to us and everyone is trying to tell us how to act and respond to that,” said Timothy Bradford, with Black Youth Project 100. “There’s always focus on how black people perform and respond to being abused and exploited and oppressed politically, economically and socially. There’s very little focus and investment in addressing the root causes of everything that precedes this.” That sums things up pretty well, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7109 "2015-11-24T19:38:23Z")
5 Cops deleted 86 minutes of footage from a nearby Burger King that might have had footage leading up to the shooting (not the actual shooting). > **[Missing Minutes From Security Video Raises Questions](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/laquan-mcdonald-investigation/53599/)** > > 17-year-old shot 16 times by Chicago police officer Oh, those upstanding police officers. The fines of the finest. but I’m sure it was just the one murdering cop… and just the 5 accomplices willing to destroy evidence… I’m sure it’s just those few bad apples and no more! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7110 "2015-11-24T22:50:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It doesn’t take away from the point that black people are disproportionately mistreated by police. > > Black people as a group pretty overwhelmingly assert that they are mistreated by police and the justice system in general. If BLM isn’t perfect that doesn’t matter to this point. Focusing on any possible mistakes of BLM, which are _infinitely_ less important and less bad than mistakes and problems with the justice system, is just a way to ignore the issue – just like focusing on supposedly violent black activists in the 60s was a way to avoid the real Civil Rights problems. BLM ought to protest the reasons police have a heavy hand in the so-called ‘hood.’ It’s quite often the violence of fellow blacks. Granted police need to be held to higher standard and not execute people. But the poor urban black neighborhoods are far from bastions of peace. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7111 "2015-11-24T22:58:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > BLM ought to protest the reasons police have a heavy hand in the so-called ‘hood.’ It’s quite often the violence of fellow blacks. Granted police need to be held to higher standard and not execute people. But the poor urban black neighborhoods are far from bastions of peace. So what? Urban neighborhoods have crime. What does that have to do with police committing murder? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7112 "2015-11-24T23:15:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Granted police need to be held to higher standard and not execute people. Ya think? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7113 "2015-11-24T23:34:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > BLM ought to protest the reasons police have a heavy hand in the so-called ‘hood.’ It’s quite often the violence of fellow blacks. Granted police need to be held to higher standard and not execute people. But the poor urban black neighborhoods are far from bastions of peace. Black people have always been mistreated by police and the justice system throughout American history. Whether it was the brutalization of escaped slaves, the brutalization of black people who didn’t “know their place” during Jim Crow (or just were in the wrong place at the wrong time, like at a Civil Rights rally), or the brutalization of black people in modern times, this is nothing new. It wasn’t about black-on-black crime 200 years ago, it wasn’t about black-on-black crime 100 years ago, it wasn’t about black-on-black crime 50 years ago, and I think it’s very unlikely that police misbehavior today has anything to do with black-on-black crime. What’s different now is cameras, and the general opinion that black people shouldn’t be mistreated. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7114 "2015-11-24T23:54:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So what? Urban neighborhoods have crime. What does that have to do with police committing murder? Because the problem with stating blacklivesmatter but not attacking the greatest threat to black lives makes the movement seem a bit nutty. Yes police corruption and violence is out of control and inexcusable. Furthermore the support from the public for the police tactics as evidenced by how hard it is to get a trial much less a conviction is troubling. It’s still noteworthy that the greatest danger to a black life are other black lives. You can fight both enemies. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7115 "2015-11-24T23:56:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Black people have always been mistreated by police and the justice system throughout American history. Whether it was the brutalization of escaped slaves, the brutalization of black people who didn’t “know their place” during Jim Crow (or just were in the wrong place at the wrong time, like at a Civil Rights rally), or the brutalization of black people in modern times, this is nothing new. > > It wasn’t about black-on-black crime 200 years ago, it wasn’t about black-on-black crime 100 years ago, it wasn’t about black-on-black crime 50 years ago, and I think it’s very unlikely that police misbehavior today has anything to do with black-on-black crime. What’s different now is cameras, and the general opinion that black people shouldn’t be mistreated. I can’t disagree with that. The police and justice system in America are shameful. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7116 "2015-11-25T00:26:03Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > 5 Cops deleted 86 minutes of footage from a nearby Burger King that might have had footage leading up to the shooting (not the actual shooting). > > [Missing Minutes From Security Video Raises Questions – NBC Chicago](http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/laquan-mcdonald-investigation-305105631.html) > > Oh, those upstanding police officers. The fines of the finest. but I’m sure it was just the one murdering cop… and just the 5 accomplices willing to destroy evidence… I’m sure it’s just those few bad apples and no more! > [@](#): > > After the shooting, according to Jay Darshane, the District Manager for Burger King, four to five police officers wearing blue and white shirts entered the restaurant and asked to view the video and were given the password to the equipment. Three hours later they left, he said. > The next day, when an investigator from the Independent Police Review Authority asked to view the security footage, it was discovered that the 86 minutes of video was missing. > > In a statement, a spokesman for the IPRA said: “We have no credible evidence at this time that would cause us to believe CPD purged or erased any surveillance video.” No credible evidence. None at all. Except that the cops had no business asking to see the video, were given the password to the system and were alone with it for 3 hours and only the time when the incident occurred is missing. “We did a good job…a _good_ job…” ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7117 "2015-11-25T00:53:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The City Fathers were on tv last night begging people not to riot when the video is released. The city has been sitting on the video for a year, and the cop has kept his job during that time. Sounds like this one could be real bad. Protesters are gathering. It could get ugly real fast. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7118 "2015-11-25T00:58:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s still noteworthy that the greatest danger to a black life are other black lives. You can fight both enemies. The only reason it is noteworthy to some is to blame the victim and excuse police abuses. It’s my opinion that both enemies are being fought. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7119 "2015-11-25T01:57:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You can fight both enemies. But you don’t have to. You can pick a cause. BLM’s is fair treatment by the police. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/7120 "2015-11-25T02:07:32Z")
[Dashcam Video of Officer Jason Van Dyke Shooting Laquan McDonald](https://youtu.be/Ix2N6_jLAgA?t=5m7s). I set it to start playing right before the vehicle rolls up to the scene, at 5:07 of the video; the shooting takes place at 5:33. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=355) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=357)